The fruits of prepping have gone mainstream. After the pandemic, the US toilet paper epidemic and the summer riots of 2020, it became clear the crazy preppers were not so crazy after all.
I talked to Business Insider and the New York Times who all wanted me to rub it in the face of the unprepared. Of course, I laughed at the idea.
As the world is navigating what could be the pretext for WWIII I find myself much less worried about the accolades of all that we preppers have achieved both for ourselves and for the nation at large. Instead, I am thinking about the ugly truths of prepping and what to expect next.
Let’s take a closer look at some of those ugly truths.
It Might All Be For Nothing
There are two ways to look at this ugly truth. The first way is through rose-colored lenses. Perhaps the brilliance of human innovation and the minority of great men and women find a way out of all this mess we have gotten ourselves into.
Maybe we navigate all of these crazy challenges and wind up safe in the end. Prosperous even. I can hear some of you chuckling but there is always that chance. Then all the prepping and planning we have done might be for nothing.
Though, the flaw in that thinking is that my life has become so much better from prepping and homesteading.
However, there is another way to look at this ugly truth and that is the fact that fate could simply have it out for you. There are catastrophes that we can neither predict nor prepare for.
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A mass extinction event like a comet could kill everyone on the planet, a nuclear exchange could come so swiftly that even some preppers haven’t enough time to react.
There are lots of instances where being prepare might still not be enough and then all your preps might be for nothing.
You Will Have To Turn People Away
I like to say that preppers are limited by three things Time/Money/Space.
If you don’t have a spouse who understands your urgency, then it becomes four things and that one might outweigh the other three! We all have our limitations.
Because of this we simply cannot plan to take the entire world onto our personal Ark.
There will come a time when you have to turn people away.
It’s best to identify who you plan on taking in, now, rather than figuring that out when your Mom, Dad, cousin, siblings, niece and neighbor are on your porch. Can you handle that many people?
For most preppers the answer is NO.
We spend enough of time and money to get our own family as prepared as possible. You will have people that you need to turn away in a serious collapse. You will not have the room or the resources to take them on.
You can help this situation by having a list of duties and tasks that can be assigned to people who would like to be part of your group. This can be very effective when someone shows up at your door with their hand out.
Things like cleanup, cooking, gardening duties, animal care, security and waste management are all going to need to be done.
“I will put something in that hand of yours, but you will earn it first.”
You Could Become A Target
When people start to notice your garden, community, rain barrels, or preps in general, you could very well become a target.
You could become a target by the government who believes you have enough food so they will confiscate some and spread it out amongst the ailing population.
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You could become a target if you don’t get to know and trust your neighbors. Maybe a larger group targets your entire neighborhood because they catch wind that a prepper is living in their midst.
The potential for a prepper to have an excess of resources will be reason enough to target you in times of scarcity.
It’s an ugly truth about prepping but good OPSEC will help keep you from being so easily targeted.
You Cannot Prepare For Everything
If anyone tells you different, they just haven’t thought about it enough. You cannot be prepared for all eventualities.
We all have our capabilities and our limitations. Every plan you create has them, too.
While you cannot prepare for everything you can at least create a PACE plan that will give you options if your initial plan falls through or if you find yourself in a situation you are unprepared to deal with.
- Primary
- Alternate
- Contingency
- Emergency
PACE is a powerful ally for the modern prepper and with just a little forethought you can be prepared for even more. I like what Joe Fox of Viking Preparedness says, “Contemplate the Unthinkable.”
Your Family Is Not A Fighting Force
In 2015 I attended a course on Nuclear, Biological and Chemical survival that was taught by Dave Jones the NBC Guy. This was an incredible course that really changed my prepping direction in several ways.
Dave Jones is a great teacher, and he often asks questions that make you think and force you to face your limitations.
There was a small family group attending the course and while Dave was teaching night movement, we started talking about running into bad guys. What Dave said next changed the way I looked at my family and fantasy Dystopia forever.
“In the army we have what is known as acceptable casualties.
When we plan a mission, we are prepared to lose a certain amount of people.
I want you to look at each other and tell me who your acceptable casualties are.”
The family was stunned and from that moment on I realized that my family was not a fighting force.
I realized that I had to change the way I looked at community security and assure that we’re not putting ourselves in a situation where we would be fighting off bad guys as a family.
On my 10 year journey along the preparedness path, I have certainly enjoyed more good than bad.
Learning and preparing has made me a better man, father, husband, and person in general. For me it all started because my mind was capable of going to these ugly kinds of places.
If we ever face a true collapse of our society, these ugly truths will come to light. How will you deal with them?
Have you already thought these through, or will you choose to face whatever comes your way and deal with it in that moment?
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All for nothing. I think not.
There will be a downfall of America. and All nations.
Do you honestly think the devil is just going to give up and everything and we will go back to normal.
All this talk about this and that, will not matter. Only thing that matters is that you except Jesus. That will be the only normal that will matter.
There will come a man and that man is going to make all thing seem normal, because he will bring peace to the world. Then once in power, then he will begin to destroy man and his Christan belifes and ALL that comes against him.
this man WILL NOT be a Savior to the world, But almost the whole would will worship him as the new Massia, BUT!!!! he will be called the ANTI CHRIST. This will become the new normal. Not this LIE that will be presented to us as normal. So don’t be so weak as to believe that this world will ever be normal again.
Don’t fall for the devil’s delusion.
We are preppers and we prep for the ability to survive.
Actually, TWO will come on the scene….Holy Scripture calls these two the “beast and false prophet.” They WILL deceive the entire world and are empowered by the Devil, who is called “Satan”…the great deceiver who is now the unseen ruler of this world!
Satan will eventually be deposed by the Living God in the form of Christ, who will come to this earth to rule (from the True Jerusalem..which is NOT located in the Middle East).
There will be a certain people who will escape the death and destruction that has already begun…a certain people that the Great God calls…”a remnant.” After Satan is put down, God, Emanuel, and Emanuel’s Bride (144,000) will rule for 1000 years here “on the earth.” This period of time is sometimes called, “the millenium.”
Because of disobedience to God and His perfect laws, most of mankind will die, prior to that time in a “great tribulation.”
ummm where is the true Jersusalem then ?
Raven: True Jerusalem means what? It’s in heaven at this time. Revelations, the true Jerusalem comes down to replace the one we have now.
Red,
My favorite color by the way, you are absolutely right. We as GOD fearing and believing Christians will not be here to suffer like the non believers will be, and our world and country is in the downward spiral according to the Lords plan, our world will never be what it was and yes it breaks my heart, but the Lord is my priority and my faith is in HIM.
If you do not have a bible, get one and read it, it will teach you His word and you need to accept Him as your Saviour.
Amen Red… AMEN.
Denise: My advice, exactly. We have the Book in English, German, Congolese, Liberian, Spanish, and will get one in Tarahumara. I have a pocket version of the NT, English, that goes wherever I do. niio
To each their own I guess.
For a thoughtful detailed explanation regarding this and related topics, please see the “What’s Up Prof?” YouTube series with Professor and Pastor Walter Veith, a former renowned evolutionist turned creationist, in the “Clash of Minds” channel. His analyses are based on the King James version of the Bible, from the Received Texts, and other texts, such as The Great Controversy. 73.
Most of you folks are in serious need of Bible study to get a correct understanding. Check out “Amazing Facts”, “Amazing Discoverys” “Prophecy of Hope”. Also this video.
https://youtu.be/awRm0eGx644
@ bo
what understanding is it that you think, most of you folks need.
Can you explain.
73 Bart…
All this talk about this and that, will not matter. Only thing that matters is that you except Jesus.
Not to be that guy but…
Except: LEAVE OUT, EXCLUDE.
I hope you mean accept Jesus… which basically means the opposite of except.
good eye…. yes, accept Jesus
sometime we go so fast, that we miss what is most important in a post.
Thank you for the correction.
Oh puh-lease!
It would be helpful if people kept to the prepping topics without turning into God-Botherers! Sick of being preached at!
Hmm I missed that. Was someone preaching at you?
Does the one true elohim offend you?
You seem lost
But what if you’re wrong, Jay?
It’s always better to have a fill in the blank and not need it, then to need a fill in the blank and not have it.
From this day forward I will totally and completely ignore Raven.
It doesn’t matter if he is controlled by alcohol or drugs or by a
mental illness.
The inescapable fact is that Raven is just a bad person.There is
no room for him in our world.
Any response to his comments only enables him to continue
his behavior.
he comes off as a jerk but not all his posts are bad as far as content. Not sure what makes people behave this way on the internet but it’s just the way it is.
There’s a lot of hypocrisy here. People complain about raven or others and then prefix every post they make to him with a personal attack and jump in with more personal attacks against raven whenever anyone else responds to one of his posts. And then they tell us what great Christians they are. But they have that new version of the Bible that left out do-unto-others and love-they-neighbor.
who is raven? Sorry not familiar with this group.
the SME on everything
dale: busting stones is one of the best ways to correct adult children. Raven can give some serious, very good input, when he starts to mock others, then he gently gets corrected. Isn’t that better than winding up in an emergency ward to have G’d sandal removed from his crack? Aside from that, most of those who do not respect him are that way because he attacks without provocation.
red, responding in kind makes those who do so no better. Read the pages. How many respond only with attacks. One regular often responds to his posts only with name calling and not even a mention of the content. Others call him names in opening every post they make where he’s even remotely involved – responding to raven or to others who mention him, agree with him, or disagree with him in their posts. And then those posters remind us of what great Christians they are.
Raven’s a big boy and he takes it quite well. He certainly doesn’t need, or probably not even want, for me to defend him and I am not defending him. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of many others here.
It’s one thing to respond to a specific post with passion or even anger and then the next post doesn’t get that. On other sites, I might have a very heated argument with someone about one topic and on another thread, another topic, we’re thanking each other’s posts.
People, including me, need to quit making it personal. Make it about the ideas.
Dale: There are attacks, and there are attacks. When you compliment someone and they act like an ass about it, insulting and children, then that person is not an adult. In body, perhaps, but not in mind and definitely not trustworthy. When you disagree with someone and they shriek like a scared little girl, that’s a sign of mental instability or, as Miss Kitty said, as if they were drunk when posting.
Survival depends on controlling emotion and controlling actions. Unstable people will get a lot of good people killed or trapped. The louder someone is, the meaner, the less stable they are. It’s a sign of a loser.
As far as I can see, no Christian is mocking the fledgling. When he acts as an adult, people compliment him. Do not assume all people here are Christians. In MY culture, busting stones is how we kept from killing each other for centuries. Blacks adopted it and so have others. It’s another thing entirely when someone who claims to be a Christian curses and mocks other believers because they don’t follow his version of the gods. You should start there, with the holier-than-G’d Judas. He does not take anything well. Read his response to Dreaded for daring to prove him wrong. He’s getting better but ONLY because no one tolerates ranting here.
Life is personal. The Bible is plain what happens to mockers, to G’d, they’re vomit. We, all of us, strive to be polite and accept one another as equals. Those who refuse to act as family need to be ostracized till they begin to be family.
the article has the same exact problem many preppers have – especially the newbies coming on board at the last possible moment >>> prepping is ALL about “stuff” ….
if prepping to you is just about having an Excel spreadsheet of supplies based on the prescribed daily rationed proportion for your group >>> good luck guy
a problem with your pampered family is likely to start 2 seconds after the electric dies, the faucets are dry and cell phones are just a handful of formerly useful electronics ….
guy – every veteran prepper has stressed the need to gain knowledge and plan, plan, plan and plan again ….
my advice to you is to get off your altar of BS self-righteousness – quit posting your utter crap and start learning a thing or two about prepping >>> you have sheeple wrote all over you ….
We are in the midst of Daniel and Revelation. Get right with Jehovah and His Son and Regent.
Seems like a normal day….
While i say not a fighting force you better train them to be a fighting force. People will die and people will live Nothing you can do about it.
It’s always best to prepare for emergencies. Prepare as best as you can.
you can’t prepare for everything that can happen. Get the basics down.
Keep the basic tools you need to function without power. Keep spare food fuel, medication lots of clean water. Keep your vehicle full of fuel.
You can do a lot with solar panels and 12 volt automotive batteries.
you can power water pumps 12 volt lights. Charcoal or wood for the grill.
Don’t panic. Some common sense will get you through.
automotive batteries are not designed for solar work…. Just don’t waste you’re money on it.
Cavemen figured out how to survive. It isn’t rocket surgery.
and they never existed…. but people died from everything and quickly without the modern tech
raven, sigh. No radon would have been a major cause of death. Every grave found that contained plants, the ‘flowers’ are usually known healing plants. After leaving the emergency shelters of caves, people began to live longer. The copper age began with using copper as a healer. People raised in Neolithic cultures usually have very strong minds, and easily retain generations of knowledge.
Solar panels with automotive batteries?
This is why so many will die – they believe advice from any yahoo on the Internet rather than doing any simple research on their own. Smart prepping takes no more money or work than stupid prepping – other than spending some time on Duck Duck Go.
You need lithium batteries or deep cycle marine batteries that are designed to be discharged a d charged repeatedly.
This discussion is much more pleasant. I think raven meant common car batteries are a waste of money for a solar setup,
Lithium Iron Phosphate…LiFePo4.
.they don’t go boom in the night!
Automotive batteries are not designed for anything but to start a car and keep it going. Fast in & fast out. Quick to fully charge, and quick to deplete. If you want batteries, at the minimum do deep cycle batteries. Ideally 6 volt deep cycle or a 6 volt Lithium. Myself, I’d rather go Silver-Zinc-Ion as those have proven to be 40% better than the Lithim-Ion, but the Ag-Zn-+ is not commercially produced, that I know of (yet). Deep cycle and Lithium-Ion are slow to charge and slow to discharge making them ideal.
Just a note: remember newer technology could damage the old junk we have held onto. Example, using newer lithium car jumpers could fry the electronics on older vehicles. I’m not an electrician, but I’ve seen it happen…not every time. Just wanted to squeeze that into this ridiculous off topicing.
Exactly
from what others have posted in this thread. ONLY top of the line super duper yet to be produced magic batteries will do the job with solar. [and YES it is better to have top of the line specific items] When scrounging post incident automotive batteries will work if that is all you can find. We set up our camper with a deep cycle battery bank. it ran all of the lights, oxygen/breathing stuff and more with solar and even in heavy over cast the system would last over 48 hours and IF needed we could run the vehicle to charge the battery bank which was set up to charge as we drove too.
so you used a deep cycle battery which isn’t a automotive one. hopefully guys have a solar charger that shuts down your system when the battery’s get to 60 percent .
i don’t care what others do… Its not my money but for the people who don’t know anything its not nice to blow smoke up there ass and say this is the way. When its clearly just a terrible idea.
Hell the Harbor freight kits and some 6volt golf cart batteries would do a ok job for small things like LED lights and charging up batteries.
So, Rich, you used appropriate and it worked so you’re using your success in doing it right to promote that doing it wrong would also work?
No one has suggested that only the very latest or top of the line anything must be used. I just hate to see people spend their money buying stuff that won’t work based on posts by random, ignorant, people in the Internet. But no one dies, no one gets hurt; they just waste money, so do what they want. Follow the experts all across the entire solar and battery spectrum, or follow some random poster on askaprepper. Their choice. Your choice.
If I make make a sgestion about power. Solar panels are great as long as they last but what happens after some part of them dies and you don’t have a part to fix it? Still a part from someone else, do without, or build someother means of generating power.
Back in the depression fuel was hard to come by and rationed. So people had to come up with ways to use tractors to plow with without gasoline. So they built what is called a gasifier to run the engines on their tractor.
The site belown is a fema doocument made in 1989 about the use of gasifiers.
https://vdocument.in/fema-emergency-gasifier-562537ed60f55.html
They used them to run gasoline engines on tractors, then why can’t they be use to run a gasoline enging on a generator? They can.
This may still eventually give up on you but there is many many engines and generators that will be around not being used because of no fuel. I do not think during the WAWKIE that many people will know or understand how burning wood gases can run a gaosline motor.
Good idea to bring into the discussion, Dreaded. Just curious, have you built a gasification system?
Gasification is a great thing to learn and understand – it’s on my agenda; I haven’t built one yet. I’m considering it for a generator, air compressor, and others but need to get off my butt and do some.
But keep in mind that gasification systems need parts, too. It doesn’t replace solar on the list of things to do; it adds to it. I have several alternatives for heat, cooking, etc., but am limited for electrical power.
If anyone watches Mountain Men, there’s a guy, Eustice, that created a gasification system for his pickup truck out of random bits he had on his property. For most of us, we don’t have that skill, tools, or the random bits of useful stuff. Definitely something worth pursuing, though.
Gasifiers are certainly a good idea but convert your wood to charcoal first! Wood gas will destroy your generator eventually, even with a decent filter due to the tar etc. Converting it to charcoal first provides a much cleaner gas. Consideration also needs to be given to the amount of noise a generator may make depending on your situation and locality.
If you’re interested in gasification then I highly recommend looking up “Thrive off grid” This bloke is based in Michigan and has been refining the process for years! He pretty much has the whole process down to push-button automatic. He is the guru! I recently had two units shipped to Oz.
Do you look at prepping as a job, or as a game? To me, it is a very complex chess game. You have to look many moves ahead and try to anticipate your opponent’s next move. Mary Poppins has a line in it: In every job that must be done, there is an element of fun; you find the fun and snap!, the job’s a game.” Knowing what I am prepping for makes it hard to find any fun or joy in my task, but I do enjoy the exercise in futility. I agree with the author that this all may be for nothing as far as our preps go.
What will you do when FEMA or the local law enforcement confiscates your stash(es) of food? What IF the idiots in Washington/NATO/Russia decide that a nuclear war is winnable and drop most of their bombs across the world? Even if I survive the initial destruction, I am not positive that I would want to just survive in a nuclear wasteland. What about a massive volcanic eruption, or many eruptions? The acid rain created may damage your stores, or make getting to your bugout location impossible. There are too many “what-ifs” that could happen, and that makes it impossible to be fully prepared.
I am a prepper, not for myself, but for my kids and grandkids. I am prepared to answer for my life on judgement day, and that is my most important prep. I keep seeking that one true enlightenment that tells me I have a guaranteed seat in the house of the Lord, but it is not my will that gets me into heaven.
In the Bible, God told Abraham to sacrifice his son. Abraham was about to do as God had commanded. I have faith that I will know truth from lies, but if a “miracle worker” tells me to kill my family, or to give all of my supplies away, I am not positive that I am as well versed in the Bible as I should be and will not be able to make the correct decision.
Our fate has been foretold. Our destiny is determined by our choices in life. We are allowing our journey to be guided by events not totally within our control. I hope and pray that everyone here endures the rough roads ahead, and reaches the final destination that their actions call for.
Prepper: Good post. Yes, prepping is a game. Like chess, it prepares us. Non-thinkers aren’t preppers but a drag on the world. Most of mine are into it in various depths. All of us know the how-to and the why. One sister is finally looking at moving to a central area where her children can gather. Some family here in Arizona are buying property in the Sierras, Mexico, were we have family. People there are coming north to buy weapons and ammo and walking over the border to do so, then home again. niio
its more of a way of life…. vs a game. Its a lot easier to live it..
boiling sap and should be getting a total of 3 gallons of sryup at the end
I always wanted to try making syrup, but we are in the wrong state. We have lots of maples, but not the right kind, I have been told.
Hope it comes out well for ya. Lots of work!!
Peace
MadFab
Madfab other trees can also be used for syrup. Walnut, boxelder, all types of birch and all types of maple. Look up trees used for syrup.
Madfab: I live in Arizona and we have big-tooth maples, a sugar maple, Rocky Mountain, and so on. Walnuts and more! Palms make good sugar. Agave, as well, get tapped. Look around and see what you have. niio
It’s a hobby. One of many. Something that I’ve invested in for over 30 years. Hopefully the only return on this investment I get is the knowledge gained.
Prepper in Training:
It says in the Bible that you “can judge them by their fruits”.
If some prepping expert, or a guru, or a “savior” suggests you do something you are not comfortable with, or worse, tries to pressure you into anything, odds are good that they are more interested in defrauding or coercing you than helping you plan for your future.
Prepping is like buying insurance. You do what works best for you and your family and what your budget allows. It’s not a one size fits all plan.
And I’m pretty sure if someone is presenting themselves as your ONLY hope or trying to talk you into doing something harmful or illegal (like axe murdering your family!) you should probably not get involved with that person or group. Look at Jim Jones.
Mix Kitty, that was very well-said, very wise. niio
Preach it sista Karen!
Great response Miss Kitty, my sentiments exactly.
P.I.T.- I doubt it matters as long as you actually prep! It never felt like a game to me, maybe a bit of a fantasy at times, lol. And glad you’re here, one less mouth I’ll have to feed, lol!
Prepper, it is a bit of a game but don’t let the game run your life. As much as we need to prep, we need to keep it in perspective that we prepare for a life. Not suggesting anyone isn’t doing it but I do suggest we all remember the life we prepare to defend and not just the defending.
You’ll do what you need to do. Each of us in the family who can–from Mexico to NYC to Siberia are and have been prepping for years if not generations. With some, they can’t afford many guns but do buy ammo. Others prep and store food that can last a long whole. Electronics. Mechanics. Medical personnel. Herbalists. Military/weapons experts. All adults are butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers. We have centers in each state, and often two or more if enough family is there.
Yeah, we’re a very big family. Maybe the biggest but no one knows. Unlike others, we refuse to allow the government to pack us in a box labeled by them. Stories of past experiences with government local and federal keep us family and keep us prepping. If you saved up for a rainy day, this is the day. 1 can at a time, 1 jar or box, store what you’re able to.
Please include mouse- and rat bait because when times start to get bad, stray dogs and cats disappear and rodents have a population explosion. BTW, they make real good fertilizer. niio
I think what he means, but can’t outright say here, is that n!buru/t!amat is very close to earth now. U can see it at hush puppy, f!nal days, eyes open Chan’s on yt. Take a look at the gov webcms in Alaska esp. it’s what they r trying to hide by spraying the sky. I hope my message comes thru & isn’t taken out by ai algos. Best of luck friends
“Don’t put all your eggs in one basket.” An idea: spread it around in different hidden locations. Tell what you have only to family or trusted friends. Your purchased supplies, quickly remove it from your car. Might be more prudent not to buy huge amts at once, rather make several trips to the store. Buying a huge amount at one time….someone just might follow you home. Keep alert!
Always….try to help the less fortunate. (what you do in charity..do in secret)
The problem with family or trusted friends is who else do they tell in a fit of emotion? That then multiplies and what do you end up with? Potentially a fight for your very survival and those you thought you trusted. Blood does not equal trust here.
Finally someone else gets it Consco. When push come to shove trust is gone whether it’s you neighbor or your favorite brother-in-law.
Consco: That’s why traditional People (American Indians) have hey-o-ka, the clowns. A clown’s first job is to help and heal. Next, family executioner. If someone is anti-survival, they get talked to by the old folks. If they persist, they get booted out. If they cause problem…If you go to a pow wow, you see the clowns. Everything they do is an act of love for the people. niio
It’s kind of funny that this article came up. Preppers prepare for the major events that likely or just could happen, where being prepared is a necessity if you want to survive. But living in Arizona, where flooding, ice storms, tornadoes, and such don’t often if ever happen … what are we prepping for? The random Meteor? (we have meteor crater) … WW3? That technically is a constant, as long as we have power hungry madmen, or do-fuss senile puppets in charge.
And yet … back in mid January I probably got covid. I can’t say for sure … I didn’t run down and infect everyone around me to get tested. I am old school, that when you are sick, you stay home, away from everyone, so you don’t pass what you have on to them, until you are sick. I did though have most of the covid symptoms (bad case of the flu) … and it kicked my backside. Being 71, with heart disease … may be the reason why it affected me so harshly … but it beat me up pretty bad. Living alone … if I needed anything, my son would pick it up and leave it outside my front door, then call me while standing in the street, and wave as I answered the door, and got what he picked up for me.
Okay … so long winded, how did prepping help me? After covid, I got a sinus infection, and just wasn’t on the top of my game. I literally did not leave my house for two and a half months … until the first week or so of March. My son brought me throat lozenges, acetominophen, and the ilk, but regarding groceries (I never lost sense of taste) … I ate what I had in the house, and then robbed my short term prep food items (canned goods, and frozen foods) … to allow me to feed myself without grocery shopping.
Most people don’t have but a week or two groceries in their homes, but with prepping, I went for two and a half months, not leaving the house, and not touching my long term dehydrated foodstuffs. So prepping can come in handy without a news worthy disaster.
Very good point!
My thought is that prepping is a hobby for responsible adults. I don’t lay awake nights and think about the big one, zombie apocalypse, or a Canadian invasion. .. Being prepared for emergencies is a reasonable and responsible thing that adults should do.
Agreed Jpup. We prep for as many realistic events as we can. Not worried about zombies or aliens.
It’s actually a lot of fun as my wife is involved heavily. We just don’t talk about it with anyone. We have tried to encourage family members but most think it is a waste of time and creates stress. The prevailing attitude is why worry we have FEMA and other agencies that will “help”.
You’re right; you can call it a hobby if you call saving for the future a hobby. Both could be considered hobbies and counting your money can be fun of its own. Both are equally important. That’s how important preparing for the future is – in both ways.
We have been stashing emergency food since obamas second election. Although we have some food stashed as well as water, with current events I feel way behind the curve as far as what I should really be putting in my supplies. Can you guys direct me to some very reliable good information. The future to me looks quite bleak and i realize I’m late doing this. I would appreciate so info on what I can do now. TÍA
First off relax a bit.
Make a list of things you need and itemize them.
Location
Water, lifestraws, Berkey filter, rain barrels
Food
Firearms especially ones you know or are willing to get trained on. As a vet the AR platform is second nature to me.
Ammo
Cloths
Boots
Tools (axes, saws, hatchets etc)
Vehicle to move you and yours to said location.
Spares to make repairs to said location, firearms, vehicles
Training to make those repairs
Tools to make those repairs
Then get going. Picky eaters won’t make it. Have your kids pick one thing they don’t like and place it on the calendar Jan 1st. Except for that food they have to eat everything else.
Medications
First aid supplies, training to use them, a PDR which is phenomenal (physician desk reference)
Plate carrier, plates, mag holders
Books not in electronic format but in print especially how to books or military training manuals.
The list goes on but you get the idea
Don’t get anything you won’t use just because you think it is cool. I have bought LOTs of tools over the years used and saved a bundle. Then I have spent the time to refurbish them to place and keep them in perfect order.
I love all things mechanical so pocket watches, grand father clocks, guns, are all toys for me. Get moving forward one step at a time and stop sweating. Be prepared to get made fun of by some. Especially democrats who believe the government will fix it or take care of me. Get a self sufficient mentality going.
Go to Ask a prepper How to (the Green Bar above) click on the 3 horizontal bars on the left. Then click on all articles. you should find the info you are looking for.
After reading some of the comments here it goes to show that even preppers can and will be the enemy (hostile) should SHTF.
Agreed Dante. Count on it.
everyone will be killing others for food and water…. lets face it its just human nature
There are a lot of people in the prepper community, including here, whose plan for the future is to be the zombies we prepare to defend against.
In my experience, people tend to get real during those hard times, and help out anyone in need…whether they just had a heated discussion or not.
ibgw, so this is going to be a bit of a preachy post but it is about preparedness, how preparedness, at least for me, ties to my personal faith, and it is about a point made in the original article: I’ve often said my years-supply is really a 4-week supply. If someone comes with a bowl in their hand instead of a weapon, I’ll feed them.
Though I don’t have the faith of a flower, there is a point where I do put my faith in the Lord, try to do what’s right, and try to accept whatever is the outcome.
Faith is not about believing that the Lord is going to refill my pantry if I gave it all away to the needy; the article of faith is that the Lord’s will be done. If it is his will that it is the end for me, then so be it.
But what if the will of the Lord is that the person at the door learn a hard lesson about being prepared? Or that it is their time and not mine? How many times have I heard someone say that it is God’s will that they have and that others do not? Maybe I don’t share and tell myself that it is the Lord’s will…
Personally, I don’t think God cares whether most of us die or when we die or if we live. We all die and our life on earth is but a blink of the eye. He likely cares more about how we live and how we cared for others, or did not care for others. My plan is still to share.
People, could you please leave your religious beliefs out of this forum. No one really wants to listen to your proselytizing. Could you confine your comments to constructive ways of preparing for any emergency.
I have doubts that you speak for everyone because yours is the first complaint I’ve seen.
I made a similar comment at the beginning of this thread, so I’m with Marcy!
@ marcy
To you with a loud voice…
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NEVER….
Judge Holden, what is it about your lack of faith that makes you so determined to challenge and insult those who have faith? This is why I don’t believe atheists. If they didn’t believe, they would not feel the need to destroy what others believe. It is not that atheists don’t believe, it is that they hate God.
dale: the judge is a good person and shares a lot. He busts stones, and so on, but if he’s tired of us discussing survival knowledge via the Bible, so what?
I like how Walid Shoebat explanted his take on things. “My wife sits down at breakfast and reads the morning news paper. I sit down and read my Bible. Know what?! We’re reading the same thing.”
If you follow what’s happening in the news and what’s in the Bible, you understand why things are as they are. niio
red, I am searching for a Bible study site to see if I can get some prepper chat. We certainly aren’t getting any here on this thread. And I’m a believer but I do my praying (and believing) in my closet – so to speak. The Judge is right about this thread.
Marcy,
Do me one small favor, please. Deny God on your post so all the world can see. If you believe in God and His authority, then you will not condemn others for their beliefs, faith, and comments. BUT, if you do not believe in God and Jesus, then please, PLEASE deny Him. That one small act will affect your eternity.
Some people, on this site and others, go to great lengths to profess their faith. They do this so that people like you will have a chance to research and understand that what is happening now has been laid out in the Bible, and because the Bible has been accurate on current events, then it must also be accurate on God’s existence. If you are a logical person, you cannot deny the possibility that God does indeed exist and wants you to live, but if you are going by flawed logic using incomplete facts, then God cannot possibly exist because science says so. Science is now saying that men can get pregnant, you can change sexes anytime you want to, and “global warming” can be reversed, so excuse me, but I choose to believe in God and I will flat out deny politicized science.
Fine, I deny the Christian God and all the rest of the Gods and Goddesses. What a waste of your life religion is. There is no Jesus coming back, but that don’t mean we aren’t on a hell bound train. How do you people read the Old Testament and think, that God is a God worthy of worship?
Sadly judge you will see when you are standing in front of Him. Then you will see the truth. but again sadly it will be to late for those that do not believe.
When He come back,. be the man you think you are and take what He will give to you in His time of judgement. Judge…
Old Testiment Elohim is stil the same one in the new testitment and what…. you made upset about a Just Elohim who was protecting his tribes and people .
Judge, as the only brutally honest book on religion there is. They deny nothing. They also are considered to be the best source of history in the time these things were written. Also, the original book on human psychology. Even atheist Bible scholars do not deny Jesus lived (not as God, but a man), how he died, and that he rose–there is contention if it was physical or something else, but no one denies it. niio
The point of this site and these articles is to talk about how to prepare to survive now until the end of times. How we got to the world that we’re in is a topic for religious or even political sites. Here, we should all agree that the world is a mess and may not be able to provide for us unless we take steps of our own.
The only religious part of this, I think, is that none of us have the faith of a flower, do we? So now that we all know we don’t really have the faith we profess to have, let’s talk about what we need to do to fill in the gap in our faith and make sure we can provide for the needs of our families and those we love.
I can’t speak for all, but unless religion is the actual topic, why don’t you keep that to yourself, it takes away from this important survival discussion. Create your own blog and see if you appreciate someone talking guns or something way off topic. Respect, get it?
Iblameglobalwarming this is our part of the blog. why troll it? when you get a fatwa against you, then complain.
Prepper in Training:
Personally, I don’t “trust the Science”. I don’t trust anyone who the first words out of their mouths are “trust me”.
It’s a sure mark of a liar.
Why does religion scare you so much, Marcy? Reading ideas you don’t agree with is as important to your knowledge as is reading those with which you do agree. It’s OK if you don’t agree, that’s your choice. You must be a member of Antifa. Ideas you don’t agree with should not be heard or spoken.
Yeah dale, peachy indeed. You made a couple points, not sure to whose comment, but points nonetheless. And good for you to prepare enough to feed someone else…it sounds like you did some preparing yourself, so what’s the problem then? Maybe you waited long enough for supplies to just magically appear? All the other god hoopla you spouted, I don’t care about, to each their own. I’m not dumb enough to start criticizing each and every belief people have, specifically. And I already stated that only fools sit around and hope and wish for things to happen. That’s simply lazyness…or brainwashed fed stupidity. So yeah, best of luck with your efforts in prepping.
Iblameglobalwarming – I agree with your comments.
Dale – how do you leap from criticism of posts which are off-topic to being scared of religion? Lacks logic.
JJBerrie, it’s completely logical. I’d like to see a good discussion about risks and problems with prepping and the religious overtakes some of these threads. On the other hand, some haven’t just argued about being on topic, they’ve attacked Christianity. It’s one thing to want to be on topic but it’s altogether a different thing to attack Christianity as a whole. I can see the difference; can’t you?
Dale: It’s easy enough to see where the nazism, the anti-anything-Jewish trolls come from. It’s called weak-mindedness. Any psychologist will agree, religion is vital to mental health. For some people, anything to whine and carp about is their religion. niio
Lead by example.
Many of my food containers have a P-38 or P-51 can opener in them. I get them from an eBay seller, 20 for 20. I also keep one on the fridge, and use it on at least every other can I open, for practice. Though I think I’m ok in that regard, as I have carried one on my keys since I was a kid.
Because having a modern hand-operated can opener, or several, or even dozens, is not real prepping. You’re not a survivalist unless you’re opening cans with a P-38.
LOL I have used and still have a p-38 but I do require a can opener to open a can lol. I can use a knife, a screw driver or any sharp object that can pry and cut at same time. The problem with this is if you do not have the dexterity and practice you can cut youself pretty bad. Even with a p-38 if you are not carful you can be cut by the lid portion which is left sharp.
So unless you feel secure in trying to open cans with objects not designed to open them I suggest staying with opener you know how to use or getting someone to teach you, less getting cut this way.
Also be aware those cans that have a twist type opener are very dangerous unless handled properly. The tin that is twisted around the key is very sharp an sometimes it will untwist. I got cut by one and it was my fault I was not paying attention to what I was doing. I was cut and it should have been stitched up but I just cleaned it and used Iodine then taped it up lol. But see I was raised to know what to do with cuts and stuff. So I tend to not go to doctors unless it is something very very bad.
marcy: Nope, because religion is how people in 3rd worlds survive. It’s those who have none who wind up killings or getting suicidal.
I agree that we’re not getting much at all about prepping in this discussion but, as I think my post above demonstrates, there is a connection between our faith and our preparedness. Without faith, I could prepare by having a gun and ammunition and my food storage could be the home of any prepper dumb enough to let me get the upper hand on them. My faith keeps me from killing others to feed my family – not because of fear of God’s retribution but because my faith has taught me to care about others.
Faith and preparedness go hand-in-hand. But I do wish this thread could focus more on the preparedness side of the equation and what are the risks to preparedness plans, as discussed in the original article.
Dale: Well, I’m pretty sure we’re not going to degenerate into Tobacco Road. In the long run, perhaps. Psychologists have studied survival and the most mentally fit are most likely to thrive even under famine/war zone conditions. That means a religion is vital to making it. I’d rather a terrorist at my back than someone who has no religion but me, myself, and I. Don’t mind the trolls. Just keep working towards G’d, who keeps your pantry filled and plenty of ammo at hand. niio
At last – some common sense!
Dale – my comment “At last some common sense” was meant for you, not for Red, who is one of the worst culprits for getting off-track! Also, regarding your statement “It’s one thing to want to be on topic but it’s altogether a different thing to attack Christianity as a whole. I can see the difference; can’t you?” – well, of course I can! But it seems that anyone who wants to see prepping stuff instead of the incessant preaching is howled down and immediately accused of being anti-Christian! I think it’s time for me to give up on all this and to give my blood pressure a break!!
berrie, what are you attacking me for this time? If I don’t like something being said, I skip it. Read what psychologists say about religion; it’s vital to mental health. You might want to see why so many today are angered by what’s seen as anti-religious talk. It’s too close to Table Talks a la elitist communists/nazis. Expect people to be angry when they see antifa, a nazi organization, and the BLM, more elitist communists, destroying lives under the direction of soros, who openly paid them to do these attacks. The dnc has come out from under the US flag to attack anything American, and as a prepper, religious or not, you’re a target.
Berrie, if your blood pressure is rising because of online chat, you’re taking it all far too seriously. Just skip over the messages you don’t want to read. When the interesting content requires more effort to find than it’s worth you’ll naturally drift to somewhere else.
Dreaded:
I took a big slice out of my thumb with a can lid because, as you say, I wasn’t paying attention. It was a flap about half an inch long and bled like crazy. I cleaned it and kept a fairly tight bandage on it until the flap of skin was stuck back in place well. Probably should have gotten stitches, but it eventually healed up. I still have a scar, though.
Shows that you need to really pay attention anytime you’re around anything with a sharp edge, even if you have done the activity many times in the past.
Yeah, god luck with that request, the very first comment was religious c**p. And then pretty much every other comment. Totally hijacked the forum, as usual. But hey, it was a major contributor to wars, might as well battle it out here too. Occasionally we get lucky with seeing a bit of prep talk.
Marcy:
To many people here, their religious beliefs are the reason for their prepping and part of their preps. Proselytizing and declaring their faith boldly is also a part.
There’s no need for you to go full Karen on everyone and DEMAND that people cease and desist because it makes YOU uncomfortable.
It’s not up to you or anyone else to DEMAND that others accommodate you whilst you make no accommodations for others.
If the post annoys, bothers or is otherwise uninteresting, skip over it.
If we followed your advice we would be skipping practically every post!
Isn’t that good advice for everyone here…. ” If the post annoys you bothers you or is otherwise uninteresting to you, skip over it.”
Many people seem to think it’s their job to tell people what to think and how to live. How about this, I’ll let you live the way you want if you will let me live the way I want.
I agree with miss kitty
not telling you or anyone on how to, just saying. I pass over a lot of bla bla bla post… Miss Kitty is saying, don’t post stupid c**p about a post if your just going to trash it with bla bla bla. just pass over it and proceed to the next post.
Thank you…
Mlz Kitty: Very good post. I had family in Penna in generations past arrested and imprisoned for practicing their religion without state approval. their kids were thrown in places like Carlisle Indian School. They survived, but all of them had horror stories about that place where liberals ran things. Other family lived under the threat of torture and the gas chamber for daring to have any religion. Tho most of the family when I was a child was atheist or agnostic, I was taught to respect others’ beliefs. That’s called human. Psychologists in the ‘family’ advocated attending a religion for the sake of mental health. Since then, it’s hard to find a real atheist. Most of us adopted Christianity and believe in it, believe in the peace, the joy, and the love there. niio
berrie: why that? I don’t think there are many here who worry over atheism per say, but give respect to the person speaking. Why not try that?
Good post, Kitty. The posts whining about the preaching can be just as annoying. Tolerance is the key here and those who don’t like it are voting quietly with their feet. Those that stay just like the argument – which might drive many of us.
Miss Kitty,
I agree with you.
I know I get off track some and that I get a little agrivated by some of the comments as everybody does from time to time. But usually even in a comment where I speak of religion I have some point to it that pertains to prepping.
My point to everyone is this if any comment offends you or your disgusted by what it pertains to then just go to the next comment.
I see comments that I don’t like such as someone saying that they would rob and kill so thier kids could have food. I either make a comment back that I disagree with it or I ignore it and got to the next one.
The reason disagree with robbing and killing to take someones food is a reason every prepper should have and it has little to do with religon. Though religion taught me this.
In my 70 short years of life I have found that if you help someone then that person will remember and even if they are what is called unscruppled, they will if they see you in need help if they can or they will help someone else. So helping someone helps you at the same time.
Great comments, I’m rather new to prepping, but I live in Tennessee and am a mountain man, of sorts. My wife and I are prepping, and reading all of these articles help. There are so many things you guys share that are very helpful. Thanks for leaving some comments on supplies, I hope we never have to use it, but again agree with one writer, it’s better to have it and not use it as to need it and not have it. Thank all of you for your comments, some is useful and some may not be, but it brings that item to your attention. Thanks again!
Larry: Be blessed, and teach! niio
I have a bible. It’s lying right next to my AR.
When the looters, the invading country or the government is kicking in my door, which one do you think I’m going to grab?
Both
You don’t have to grab the Bible. What’s in it is already in her heart; she needs to AR and a prayer on her lips.
I don’t think you’re going to make them hole-ly with the bible.
Lol Dan
And when the ammo runs out you can brainwash them to death.
Iggy: Been there, done that. Go have a fatwa against you, LOL. the best weapon you have is your mind. Had I taken your complaint to heart away back then, I’d be dead. Not once, but a number of times over. Instead, not even a new scar to go with all the rest from when I was anti-religion. And the imam was told off by his own to shut up and go home in peace or go home stuffed in a trunk. He went home. I’m still welcome and still debating. Thanks to people like me, Islam dropped from 50% of Africa to 20%. That’s a lot of people who will never become terrorists trying to kill you or anyone else.
Another ‘all for nothing’ scenario is that you have your fort, you have it stocked up to the brim with all the essentials, you even have extra comforts and goodies, and no one else knows about it. Then a wildfire or tornado or some other natural disaster flies through and wipes it all out. As with anything, you just never know. The number one essential item is faith in the Lord. He can bring rivers out of dry land. All those miracles in the Bible; don’t think for a split second that He can’t do it again! I would say prepare but don’t put your trust in your prepping, put it in the Lord.
What I believe is the Lord will guide you if all you prepping is destroyed. He may not say here all you stuff is replaced but he just may cause something to happen that makes you see another path to take to survive.
Dreaded, he may just let you die. Your faith may give you the strength to accept it. Live or die is not always your choice and God’s will may not be the same as your will.
The Lord does not make miracles for everyone. The lord expects you to do your work and if you have a need he knows you really need then a way will be made for you to get that need.
Have you ever heard of Karma. I beleive the lord uses Karma. When you do good, good returns to you but when you do bad, bad returns to you.
It is interesting that I was not a very good christian and worked long hours and never advanced. Then I was put into a position to where I was being abused by a company I worked for, for 20 years. So I got mad in 2018 and retired because I was old enough too. Since I retired I have actually done better then when I worked. Why because I changed after I had open heart surgery. See before going into sugery I said a prayer asking the lord to take care of my family if it was my time to meet him (did not ask anything for myself). Well I was afraid to some extent as everyone would be. But after saying that Prayer the fear left me and things started changing for the better. You here all the drugs a person that has take after having had a double bypass. I took them for about 6 months then the doctor took me off them while other doctors wanted me t continue taking them. I take only an asprin a day. That was in 2011.
I still do not go to church but I have my reasons one being my wife is bed ridden so i stay with her. Another is I don’t believe you have to go to church to be a Christian.
So yes I believe the lord has been giuding me.
this isn’t propserity false idols false gods like the pagon catholics and joel osteins do.
You don’t do good and nice things hoping for the “karma to kick back towards you” you do good and nice things to be a light to world and yes the bad things go punishned at times or perhaps they don’t. Clearly the demoonic leadership we have in office has nothing negative going against them.
raven: stop sinning against people just because you don’t like them. that counts against you and your future.
As for Olstien, let the devil deal with his own.
Loser. Jk. You’ve obviously overcame a lot. I can sorta relate, I also retired, but was nowhere near age, lol. I refused to be another sheep, enough sheeple out there.
Well then, Rules, your two cents is done…bye!
I just read rules’s last sentence above out loud. And MAN did I sound like an idiot. I guess the silver lining is there will definitely be less people on earth if anything bad happens.
If Mother Nature takes everything away from you, you start over. Expecting handouts while visiting other churchies is just plain laziness. You’re just relying on luck.
What’s really gonna suck is good ol Brandon taking everything we stocked up on over the years…because you know it’s our fault society is so effed up. Pray for me, as I hope and wish for someone to make all the bad go away!!!
What cracks me up are all the so-called, self-proclaimed, Christians who think they’re smarter than God and have decoded that which Jesus said cannot be known.
“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
Of course the false prophets will say they don’t know the day our hour but they know the year is 2026. I saw one site that claims that not knowing the day or hour is not intended to be forever.
People either believe the words in the Bible or they do not. Anyone who claims to know when the second coming is, clearly does not truly believe in the words.
Dale
no one knows the time or day. but the Bible says there will be signs that will show that the time is near.
So to those that know the signs, can see that his second coming is near.
Keep your eye’s on JESUS, not the battle.
red ant, there have been those who have been sure they’re reading the signs and predicting the second coming for 2000 years. What sign is there today that didn’t exist 80 years ago? Or 100 years ago? Or 250 years ago? Or beyond?
Knowing the signs, and knowing the possibility is not the same as knowing as a fact that it is near or not near. The whole point of knowing what the signs will be, and knowing that the second coming is at least possible soon, is a great motivator for change in behavior, following the teachings, accepting Jesus.
Dale
The signs of the coming are pretty relvant to include Isreal as a nation to be reborn. Which never happens that a nation totaly wipped off the map all of a sudden is remade in the exact location. Secondly is the world must become like Noah’s time. So evil and currupt. Also turning Noah time before the flood the women where having sex with demon’s and creating the nephlin’s . A hybrid race that was going to genticly change the world. Noah’s family was the only ones who where not part of that BS . So i mean we can look at something that “RMA changed the DNA of what humans are” it wasn’t like the covid vax was corrupt.
Either way a lot of things will happen when the coming is near. You’re right nobody will know the hour or date but to understand that Russia/china / Iran coming to power along with Northrn Africa it does align the bible as well.
Dale
My best advice, is to believe and have Faith. JESUS is real. All, will see His return, even the dead. Yes, no one knows the time nor the hour. If we did know the time of His return, think how corrupt man would become, until the time that has been givin.
That being said, WE have to stay as close to JESUS as we can. When the time dose come then You and I will get to be with him in the clouds.
keep the faith. one day we all will see. ALL…
Why does Israel need to rebuild the temple? To make sacrifices? That’s against Jesus’ teachings because He was the ultimate sacrifice.
Jesus is the temple. The veil has been torn. Believers in Christ are to go out unto the world and proclaim everything belongs to God. Jesus is reigning now in Heaven and on earth via the Holy Spirit. Prepping is to keep stock for what if there is food shortages or some other disaster. It’s skills learned to help prosper. To learn to be self reliant instead of dependent on a grocery store or government.
But like those who said before you can prep everything and still have it wiped out. Learn the skills to adapt and survive. Prepare. But at the same time – teach. Prepare those around you who are interested in prepping or similar ideas but also spread the word of God.
Terry: True! This is why religion is so vital to understand what is happening, and how it affects our survival.
But, the holy of holies in the temple is Jesus’ throne room. When he enters Jerusalem, he comes through the gate beautiful and right up to the temple, enters, goes into the holy place and takes his seat on the ark.
Beforehand, the temple is needed to consolidate all the fractions of Jews around the world, to draw them back to Israel, which is also in prophecy. Then, the antichrist comes, takes over Israel and sets himself up as the false messiah with a high priest.
According to what I understand, soros believes he is that high priest (who has to be Jewish) and that the antichrist is a reincarnate hitler. Hitler took much of the temple from Pergamum and used concrete to replace what was ruined. Pergamun is called the seat of satan. Hitler may have believed he was designed by the ascended masters of Aldebaran to be the messiah, Fuehrer, to lead humanity into the new age hep where all those deserving to be like the once-human ascended masters because beings of energy. All the rest of us, of course, have to die first to purify humanity. The temple will be taken over as a place of worship for new agers who follow him.
At this time, soros is looking at Erdogan of Turkey as the caliph/messiah. He gave all his financial investments to a friend, wyss, to handle while he pursues this dream of his.
Dale: True, the problem with those who make wild declarations do not know the Bible. But we now can see wars escalate into more war. See famines and droughts, plagues spreading’s, and so on. We now have a man who may be elected as caliph. He hates Christianity and Jews. If elected, he has the power to declare all-out war and has 57 nations and their wealth to back it. We see the West sinking into apostacy and worse, and that’s the only thing standing between him and power.
Note, the judge did not claim to be an atheist. niio
The second coming may be this year or it may be 10,000 years in the future> I pay little attention to people claiming to know when it will come. But at the same time I do pay a little attention to the people that have predicted things happening because everything in this universe is tied together and effects everything else. I have not heard of any of them predicting the second coming and if they did I would not believe it.
Who is predicting the time that Jesus will be here.
Y’all keep saying that. I do not read any where, any one is predicting the second coming.
The only thing that I have ever read or wrote myself is that JESUS is coming back. At some time in the future. No date or hour has, never been mentioned.
Give a real reason, why you think what you think. Not an awnser that dose not awnser anything that no one has said.
The bible speaks only the truth. when you understand it.
What would a person gain by saying something that only GOD knows.
I’ve done stupid things before, but surly, I would not say I know something that only GOD knows.
My view is that I can’t be sure it’s not coming for 10000 years but I also cannot be sure it’s not coming tomorrow. So, like I said, the wise sign-watcher will just use the signs as motivation to be a better person. Hopefully that’s not their only motivation but whatever works.
Lol. you sound like Raven.
good luck. again lol…
We were told to be prepared. To wait, to be patience itself, to keep the love going. Away back then and right up to now, being prepared includes all things we discuss here. God commanded it, and called people fools who do not keep watch for their nation and families. god commanded all children learn the 3 Rs. Schools don’t teach that and some are disposing of SAT. Obery G’d and teach kids and teach us. niio
Dale:
We have seen many of the signs pointing to Jesus’ return come true already. The reestablishment of Israel as a sovereign nation is just one.
Amongst the remaining signs (for those who haven’t studied it), are the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, the consecration of the priests with the Red Heifer ceremony and the beginning of ritual sacrifice within the Temple. Then the Antichrist will enter the Temple and declare himself the incarnation of the Christ, Savior of humanity, and take over the Temple, erecting an “image” of himself that will speak and perform “miracles” and must be worshipped. This is called the abomination of desolation.
Then things will really get bad, but we’ve got a way to go yet. Although there is a priesthood already trained and equipped to start services immediately, there is to date no physical Temple built. Even with modern building techniques, that would probably take between six months to two years, so we will have some wiggle room to finalize our preparations.
That is, assuming the Bible is giving us literal information, and not speaking allegorically. Since the other signs have been literally fulfilled, I would say the others would be too.
Dale:
I’m looking at the prophetic scriptures and reading the news to see how much is lining up.
The time to fill up your lamps with oil is now, for sure! It’s not going to be much longer, compared with the time already past.
Miz Kitty: Blessings on you and His peace. The tribe of Levi is alive and well, and recognized by Israel as the tribe by way of genetics. There’s a small item in the Y chromosome that’s exclusive to Levi’s male offspring. All tribes are going home to Israel! Even Dan, but as prophesied over 3,000 years ago, there’s not enough men to make up their share of the 144,000. Dry bones live! niio
I can’t figure out why there are so many regulars here who seem to be here only to challenge the writers on the site.
I think the article did a good job of highlighting the risks that one’s preparations don’t save the day. Just like our retirement funds could become worthless due to hyperinflation, our food storage could be wiped out in fire or flood or chemical exposure. I have a paid for home in the country that could be gone in a second in a tornado.
I can never guarantee that any preparation I make for any potential scenario; I can only do the best I can according to my understanding and knowledge.
Dale challenging things is what gives the best information. But yes there is too many that want to not just show a different way or not to just challenge something but just to be ornery.
Again, lashing out at people for sharing their thoughts.
Given the majority of preppers in the US, Canda, and Mexico are very religious, you may be part of the wrong crowd. Anti-religion is a lib thing, not for conservatives.
Ok I’ll call BS too. We (the preppers) prepare for physical threats, agree? I don’t think anyone’s supreme religious figure can literally DO anything to physically keep you from harm. So I suggest you be a little less lazy and do a bit of prepping your damn self. And don’t go knocking on my door to help. Good luck with all that.
Iblameglobalwarming, I disagree that we preppers prepare for just Physical threats for to prepare ones mind must also be pepared. This has to take in all of the persons beliefs too.
Being religous has everything to do with prepping. The way I see it is this.
I am religious and so I have prepped for my meeting with the lord. Some people believe that you should turn the other cheek and not fight back but how can you if you are dead. I asked a reverend one day about would the lord forgive me for killing someone if I had to while I was in service. He said yes he would so if the lord forgives for fighting for you country then ask yourself what is a country made of? People you care about. So you would be fighting for people you care about in a WAWKIE event and you would be forgiven.
I am also a preeper in that I have prepared methods of survival.
I have prepared my mind knowing I might have to kill someone to protect my family and self. Also in the knowledge all my preperations may be for nothing depending on the event.
I have accepeted that I probably will not survive. (knowing this and accepting it is in my opinion a major step in being able to survie). Worring about things you have no control over, takes your mind away from things that are important. So acceptance of death is important.
Well, no harm in disagreeing. Actually, I was using the word “preppers” according to its definition…mostly. You completely missed my point and just decided to type a bunch of non related thoughts. My point was obvious- praying and believing doesn’t keep food on the table or firewood in the wood stove. And you speak of death, of course you would, you’d be closer to it. I find the arrogance of churchies amusing and their means of surviving mind baffling. But that’s cool, I just hope no children unnecessarily starve to death or get eaten because pops didn’t want them to actually prepare for troubles that may lay ahead.
Iblameglobalwarming: If you study psychology, you’ll find mental health pros advise even atheists to attend church. Not to become believers, most psychs aren’t anyway, but just because there’s so much peace it helps overcome mental suffering. Suicide is common among atheists and agnostics, and this is how to overcome it. This is how to survive even the Neros of this word.
Most of the ‘churchies’ I know, and there are tons of them, are prepping, are proficient with weapons, are heavy into a lot of great things. Why do you think obama sneered so much about God and guns? His ascended master, hitler, found out the hard way, people who believe the Bible tend to go down hard and take the enemy with them.
One big thing in the Bible is to keep faith in yourself! niio
Dread, read my comment correctly. I should have said “as a Prepper, I…”, that would have prevented some ignorance from people just wanting to control the narrative.
Iblameglobalwarming: I do! And know what, he said to be prepared. Buy a sword. Defend your nation, your loved ones, your family, and yourself. I’d call warning people a very good thing, and then shaking the tree also good. Religion is vital to surviving in style. niio
This is all because the writer said “ark”, isn’t it. Popped a boner, or at least a chub, did it?
That’s silly.
Iblame: What’s an ark? A canoe can be an ark, and that’s what the word means literally. An ark can be a safe storage place. The space between wall studs, for one. Your mind is an ark. Bible teaches learn to live wit what you cannot change, butr change the things you can. Too many generations of nazism have come and gone in this nation and you see the mess hatred of Christianity and all things Jews has brought. niio
Nah, it’s really not, red. Religion isn’t vital for anything but war.
No one on earth has ever defended THEIR NATION, not literally. Warning?
And replace warning with brainwashing, makes more sense.
Maybe y’all should speak up in your own forum, id bet you disagree on things more than preppers do…way more.
Iggy: Again, this is our forum. Most preppers are very conservative/religious. Adults discuss, not shriek. Not sneer.
We agree on something, religion is vital in war. Look around at cities today. War zones, thanks to the anti-religion crowd. I get kicked off various platforms for pointing out to nazis that they are nazis, even though they never realized it. As I was raised, you do not mock someone’s beliefs. Respect engenders respect. This isn’t 1,000 BC and a people desperate to hang on to what they have. My youngest son was sent to a variety of places ruled by Muslims. He remembered that and taught it, respect people. Kill them if you have to, but respect their beliefs. He said, it saved a lot of lives. Life is a war zone. Maybe you didn’t grow up in one, but I sure did. If you doubt that, go up and hug a grizzly bear and spread the love.
Yes, my kids went to defend this nation. In my family we all did. This is the last place where a redskin can find equality and peace, and we’ll be happy to die defending her. The highest percentage of people to go to war to defend this nation is us. We have no place else. This is home, and we love home.
Iblameglobalwarming:
Pray to God, but row towards shore.
I saw your point but there is more to prepping than putting food on the table. You do not understand what I am saying. Maybe I can make it a little clearer.
Ones beliefs effects ones way of thinking and there fore effects everything physical such as putting food on the table.
Religion is just one of the beliefs and the way I beleive. So I tryed to show the way I think by something that happened to me to show why physical things are affected by beleifs.
The indians believed in thanking the deer for giving his life so that the indian could live. This would have an effect on the mental stability of indians if they did not give praise to the deer and so effect their hunting ability. What you believe affects the way you go about things. And the way you go about things affect the physical.
So this is a part of prepping. If you do not know yourself, your abilities, your good points and your bad points then you are not prepared to survive no matter how much physical stuff you have..
Dreaded: yes. On American Indians and many other cultures, it’s not deer who is thanked, but God who came in that form to feed us. An apology is made to God and the animal for shedding its blood. It’s one of those things that made Columbus, a very much lied-about man, that made him believe we were the ten lost tribes. niio
See, red doesn’t even believe you, he twisted your words to make him sound right. I see that all up an down this forum.
It really is pitiful, playing the religion card to get yourselves out of certain discussions or putting your spin on it to sound superior.
iggy, dang, chico, but you’re goofy. why lie? Why mock people who aren’t against you? What does your shrink say about it? !
Raven, are you suggesting you’d kill innocent people to save your family?
Interesting thing about many Christians: they’re not afraid of death. This has very significant implications in any EOTW scenario. Younger Christians often want to live, not so much for themselves but to take care of their families. Then you get the older Christians, like many here, and their children are grown and on their own.
You want Christians around you in the EOTW.
On the other hand, it’s those who are not Christians that I have heard so many times claim that they’d kill innocent strangers to steal food to feed their own children – they are that afraid of death for themselves and their children. Those statements come from those who want to live at all costs – even at the cost of putting that terrible emotional burden on their children, that people were murdered to get dinner.
I’m OK with dying. I don’t want it to happen and will, within limits, do what I can to prevent it but, in the end, I’m OK with my children dying. We do not fear death. For us, it’s not how long we live that matters, it’s how we live, and how we die. You want to be surrounded by Christians, not by those who will kill you without giving it a thought, just because you have something they do not.
Yeah I am sure you would be a proud dad watching them die. Easy to say here . Bulls**t in reality
Replied to the wrong place…. So here it is again: Raven, are you suggesting you’d kill innocent people to feed your children?
Define innoccent ….
Innocent is anybody not taking actions intended specifically to harm you – and don’t twist that to include having food when you don’t. Having food or eating while you do not or can not is not intended to harm you; that’s still innocent.
i would hope that we don’t have to be in that situation … but i think if people are starving to death they won’t care …. and those with food will be killed for having it.
That’s not the question. You mocked me because I said I would not kill to take food from someone to feed my children and you mocked it. So the question to you is would you kill an innocent human being to get food for your children; not whether they would get killed, but specifically whether you would kill to take someone’s food for your family.
Well if i had to steal food to live and people got in th way. I would suggest yes of course… Its part of survial that that people rarely will talk about. However its the truth that all of you will do the same.. Very few of you have ever been to the point of starvation and none of you would let there family die.
Raven, then you are those who I plan to defend against. You would kill another to let your children live – that’s an amazing emotional burden to put on your children.
And you can completely quit with the Christian facade. Two things prove the lie in your claim to being a Christian: one is that you would commit murder. Two is that you’re so afraid to die that you’d commit murder. Clearly, you do not believe in the promise of what’s beyond this life. You fear the unknown. For Christians, it is not unknown.
No, I would not kill except to defend against someone trying to harm me or mine. If I had no more food to feed my family, and there was none to be grown, bought, worked for, or otherwise obtained without killing someone to take their food from them, I would take my family in my arms and we would lay together and wait.
i am not afraid to die…. but i don’t want to watch my family starve to death. I pray that we don’t face this situation but if you force someones hand and are unwilling to work something out. then yes you might be at the wrong end of a barrel.
Its the reality that people refuse to face. but then asking yourself to be honest and say you would be cool with watching your family starve to death then… yeah i call bull*t. Some of us are more honest then others. Because you never seen starvation, never faced a moment where you watch your family die slowly each day.
BTW if your gardens s**k… your food stores are just a count down to a starvation point.
If your garden is supplying way more today than you could possibly eat, share, give away, that’s great. I can give a few dozen scenarios why it might quit producing anything tomorrow, things you can do nothing to prevent or nothing to fix.
The thing about you that marks you as a likely enemy in a SHTF scenario is that you have no plan for failure. You don’t even have a moral compass for failure.
I’ve studied martial arts for years. I’ve gone to the shooting range for years. I practice drills at home for recovering my gun and avoiding being shot in the process. I practice shooting with my right hand (though I am left-handed) so I can prepare for an injury to my strong hand. All of these things I hope will help me because I’ve developed the mental and muscular memories to help respond to scenarios that may or may not happen.
I also think about the moral aspects of survival. Having trained my mind on what I want to do improves the likelihood that I will respond according to plan. The physical practice has all been done in peaceful situations, never where my life is truly on the line. I cannot guarantee what I will do when it’s truly life or death but I know what the plan is and I rehearse the plan. I don’t want to lose control in a fight and I don’t want to lose control of my mind in a disaster.
We’ll see what happens but I’m very confident on this one: I will never say to my daughter, “Daughter, we were out of food but your best friend’s family had some so I killed them and took their food. Enjoy your dinner, your best friend died so you could have it.”
its the ugly side to prepping what would you expect.
overseas i made the moral choice that i would kill kids if i needed to and i have today have no issue if that has to happen. Some people can’t or won’t shoot but its something people need to work on as well.
On Killing and On Combat are required reading
Those are the mental skills I work on as well. I don’t know what will happen when the choice is life or death but I do work on that scenario. Can I kill children who are going to kill me, I believe so. I plan that I would. First off, anyone that I kill who wants to kill me, if I were to not kill them, would go on to kill others as well. It’s a moral question but, to me, doesn’t rise to the level of being a moral dilemma.
But those children are a different topic. I think my moral argument stands on its own, without religion, but let’s twist it that way, anyway: are you seriously willing to destroy your immortal soul for supper for your children? For me, I hope that I love my children enough that I don’t want to do that emotional damage to them by killing someone just so they can get dinner but if that doesn’t work for you, what about your soul? Once again, your claim to Christianity seems to be in doubt here.
Well I’ve about had my fill. This use to be an enjoyable site, fun to chat with folks, get some new ideas. That’s pretty much gone now because of the experts, leftist trolls and such.
Yup I’m out of here.
Can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen….
Well you still can smile to the rude fools…
Wanna bet? People who really quit something online don’t say good-bye; they just disappear.
J: Many years ago, a psychologist in the family’s told how she learned to bear with some very nasty professors. When they would start yammering and acting spiteful, she was told, stand quietly, and in your mind very slowly remove each article of their clothing. by the time you get to skivvies, you’ll have to fight laughing at them.
You share, you teach, and we would miss you. niio
That was a useless story, red. A story of how to be like the rest of the sheeple, I bet that shrink drinks a lot.
iggy, I am a shrink, LOL. My family has well over 20,000 people in one county in Penna, alone. My beloved ex’s family is a little bigger, about 70,000. Might be 76,000 now. they refuse to be counted again. One son-in-law’s fam is 27,000 people. All told, there’s millions of us, mostly preppers, mostly religious. Like all liberals, you believe if you can’t defeat someone, destroy them.
As to being prepared for everything there is no way to prepare for everything.
A good example is someone who spends 1 mil on a fully supplied bunker with guns, ammo etc. Then comes along an earthqauke, flood or volcano and destroys everything.
You can make all the plans and there is still something you will not be prepared for. The only real preperation is to prepare your mind in a way you can adjust for anything that happens. Supplies etc. are great preperations but without your mind being prepared the supplies and stuff is not going to help much.
Dreaded, good post. Having the mind prepared allows one to adapt to changes in plan. You can’t get that simply by writing a check.
Yeah, we’re all very aware of the most powerful, useful tool is your mind. Who is arguing that? And maybe people should stop telling the big guy’s story wrong, then no need to worry about those natural disasters, uh huh.
iggy, what I’m trying to get at is for you to use your mind. Constantly telling people they’re wrong is anti-survival. And, as well, you just made one of the biggest mistakes on religion. who’s in charge of the world? According to the big guy, Adam was handed this world, then turned the world over to the adversary.
Anyone want to talk about prepping?
Sure, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Get off your a** and put in the effort, your kids will be much happier.
Is that a good start? Actually, I enjoy it. Just about everything I learned, I can do and practice and do better. It’s all mostly healthy, although shooting moving gongs seems a bit morbid.
Ya, Dale do you have a bible in your BOB.
First on my list for my BOB, all of them…
Prepping, prepping, what is this prepping of which you speak? ?
You know… It’s where we buy a .22 revolver for self-defense and a box of 50 rounds of ammo to go in it. And a week’s supply of canned goods in the pantry in case of a storm.. Oh, I almost forgot. And a box of bandaids.
Apparently I made a mistake. I assumed as this is considered a prepper site, where there are often helpful prepping ideas … that conversations would be about prepping, your success and failed attempts, the kind of prepping people do, and the ilk. I was not aware that this sites purpose was about anger, disagreement, and the end of the world via discussions of the bible. I would think, that there would be much more suitable forums for all of those topics, beyond a prepper site. My 1st error. My second error was allowing the rants to be sent to my email address. We learn by our mistakes.
I don’t know where this thread went wrong, Orion, but this is the extreme; most of the threads stay mostly focused on something related to prepping. Don’t judge us by this thread or the nuclear thread… both went nuclear… Usually we’re slightly, if only, better behaved.
Your choice. If you disagree with freedom of speech, chico, you’re in the wrong nation. Ask a psychologist about religion. while most disagree with basics of, most will also tell you it’s vital to survival. Like agnostics and atheists have been saying for years, if you don’t like what we put on TV, change the channel. I will stick with peace, with the freedom of speech we all know, with reality. the Judge and dz disagree about religion; works for me. They earned respect and get it from religious and non-religious alike. What you decide is up to you. I wish you peace and a strong right arm. niio
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Yeah, you did Orion. These comments are just totally disrespecting the writer. And they don’t give a s**t because they are holier than thou. They’re brainwashed into believing they have to change everything. Probably see them hijacking next post, that has zero to do with the almighty. Good luck learning anything useful.
Nice rant to express your disagreement, Orion. You’ll fit right in.
Apparently, this that has been posted here.
Is the Ugly Truth about Prepping.
Remember, the truth can run around naked, but a lie has to be covered up.
With the state laws aside….
Why do you have car insurance? Is it because it’ll be there in case you have a wreck?
But do you have a fire extinguisher? Is it because it’ll be there if you need it?
Or a life jacket while boating? Is it because it’ll be there if you need it?
I have argued these with others many times over. Ok, so you don’t believe in car insurance. I knew a guy that argued against that heavily with my grandfather. If something happens, he’ll use his savings to fix what he can’t fix himself. Uhhh, until a few years later when he did have a wreck and had no insurance. Well, the law was heavy on him. The other people were hurt really bad. But so was he. His savings didn’t mean squat. He lost everything and even did 6 months for wreckless driving and lack of insurance. That happened when I was a pre-teen, and he was still forking over a princely sum from his paycheck the day he died. I was in my 30’s by then. Looks like insurance would have saved him an awful lot.
But what about the fire extinguisher? Well, you sure don’t plan on having a fire, right? One of my girl friends used one once when a guy followed her, uninvited, into her apartment. After spraying him with the fire extinguisher she clubbed him with it. You bet she was thankful for having it.
What about the life jacket? Sure, you’re out boating and fall over board, and they come pick you up because you could tread water, all is fine, la la la la LA. Until that happens at night and you hit your head on Lord knows what, and while you might be able to tread water while dazed, you can’t while out cold. And how are they going to find you then? IF they even know you fell out? Ok, you can tread for an hour. What about two or three or five? And what about water temperature? You get the picture.
If you want to prep, prep. If you don’t, don’t. To me it is insurance, and to me it has proven itself several times over. I don’t know if we will have a nuclear war, I have no idea if the Earth’s magnetic pole is going to switch, I have no idea what the future holds, so I’ll just exercise my freedom to buy supplies when I have the money. My dough, my life, my call.
And please, keep your religion stuff to yourself. Not everyone agrees on everything.
I quit coming her a year back because of all the arguing and BS people spewed. We should be working together, not bickering like a bunch of old coots in the nursing home.
CK: keep things fun in prepping and the family goes along with it. You stated a very obvious and usually overlooked reasons to prep!
Now, do you know why Jews make such great lawyers and doctors? In school, they’re taught to argue religious beliefs. As they say, iron sharpens iron. Be educated in all things. If a terrorist comes running at you with the intent to rape or kill, if you know how to argue, to debate religion, you can make them stop because they usually will debate. Doing that has saved a lot of lives. niio
Sad the jews are a lost tribe and have yet to believe in Jesus.
raven: Many are lost, yes, but there are millions who are Jews and follow Messiah. Ethiopia, the Bantu, the Jews of south India. Most Lembe. It goes on and on. Tibet used to be Jewish majority. Now, it and Nepal was busy coming to Christ.
I have read “why can’t we just talk about prepping?” a lot. I thought about all that has been said and I have come to a conclusion, in life everything we do is in preperation for something or because something happened that forced us to go a way we did not anticipate. This page is about preparing for things that might happen and It is basically to open peoples minds to all the possible outcomes and solutions. But in this we overlook a lot of things that effect prepping, the outcomes and solutions.
Some of these things have come out in this long discussion.
So overalI I think the preppers on this site has learned something even if they did not know they learned it. lol
Remember a pebble thrown in the ocean will effect a wave on the other side, Same for comments made on this site.
I’m pretty sure our discussion has nothing to do with the author’s thoughts on the ugly truth about prepping. But nice try with the silver lining and justifying all the religious comments. I’m sure he’s putting all our powerful and useful knowledge in his new book- “I wish I was in the Ukraine right now, bomb my face mother Russia!”
iggy: Claude always signs off, God bless. i have no need to justify anything. All I need do is look at the world the anti-religious people, the mockers, created and see I’m correct. Or are you an ardent fan of BLM, an anti-religious organization? Or antifa, which is based on nazism, another anti-religion organization. Your world created them and encouraged them. When they tried that c**p in Arizona, they found our the guns are against them.
Iblameglobalwarming,
You stated that using a new style battery can damage an old style vehicle. I do not know where you got this info from but that is not true.
I am an electronics tech. 12 volt DC is 12 volt DC no matter what the source. Load determines the current being used not the source. The source supplies the current (that is if the source has the storage amount needed). The only way any 12 volt battery can damage any vehicle is if it is hooked up backwards. Safety protocol says to hook up the positive cable then use the bare metal frame for negative cable as far away from battery as posible. The resaon for this is if the dead battery died because of overcharge (you cannot tell this) the gases build up in the dead battery and there is usually a spark when making the last connect. This spark can set off an explosion.
It has also been stated that car batteries can not be used with solar cells. This is also false.
If you have a 100 watt solar cell and use it to charge a 12 volt battery (Does not matter what 12 volt battery) it will take appoximatly 12 hrs to reach a full charge. Battery size, style or type does not matter.
I hope you enjoy replacing your batteries every month then
Roflmao,
If you have any and I mean any 13.7 volt soucre you can charge a 12 volt battery.
If your having to replace batteries every month then it is not your source such as the solar cell causing your problem, it will be your control of that source.
To charge any battery you have to control the amount of charge by using timed charge or electronics to detect when the battery is at full charge. If you continue charging you will over charge and kill the battery. This goes for any battery no matter which ones used. A dry cell, gel or acid battery can be overcharged.
The 100 watt solar cell sends out apoximatly 4.5 amps at aproximatly 14 volts. Any battery that is discharged to say 30 % will take aproximately 12 hrs to fully charge. But now when a battery reaches 12.8 to 13.2 volts (reading without any source or load hooked up) then it is fully charged. If you continue having the 14 volts on it it will continue to charge the battery and if the battery stays on it without any power being used from the battery then after several days or weeks depending on the voltage supplied from the source it will cause the liquid (water) to evaporate and cause the acid to solidify on the plates thus causing the battery to apparently go bad. But that battery although it will not ever hold as much charge can be recovered.
Just like a standard battery charger has electronic board or a timer used to determine the amount of charge.
The newer chargers use electronics to test the battery voltage at intervals to determine when the battery is full charged and then it turns the charger off. Trickle charges uses this same technology.
The solar cell system has to have an electronics control device that can determine the amount of charge otherwise you will eventually kill any battery.
Raven is right. The physical traits inside the battery for an automotive battery versus a deep cycle are different. Here’s an overview that describes why you can’t use an automotive battery in a solar system. The bottom line is that your car battery isn’t designed to be deeply discharged and doing so will destroy it – and Raven’s point of doing it in a month is just about as accurate of a prediction as could be made.
https://discover.hubpages.com/technology/Can-I-use-a-car-battery-for-my-solar-power-system
One take the car battery daily to 30 percent and you kill if
Read it again dread. I made no mention of a new battery doing damage. This was like the third time someone misread a comment. Too eager to reply. I should have taken a pic of the fried start box on the Humvee after it was fried from jumping it. Or was it the glow plugs. Anyways, I forgot which one…but it happened. And I’m damn glad it did (on someone else’s Humvee), I would have done it the same way on mine!
You said and I quote ” Example, using newer lithium car jumpers could fry the electronics on older vehicles. I’m not an electrician, but I’ve seen it happen…not every time. Just wanted to squeeze that into this ridiculous off topicing.”
Now any way you read it it says it could fry (destroy) the electronics.
Since you saw a Humvee’s electronics destroyed I would say the Humvee had something wrong with it before the attemp was made at jumping. There is a reason it had to be jumped to start with, was it a drain on the battery from some bad circuit that caused it to have to be jumped?
If you have a bad circuit and put a fully charged battery on it it will burn up more. That is the reason I disagreed.
and what electronics on a humvee… The only thing the newer ones have is a TCM for the 4l80E/4L85 transmission.
Dreaded: Thank you do this post!
I read about not using car batteries in a solar array and shook my head. My stepfather was a whizz in electronics and worked as an electrician for Whyrhouse for decades. He loved solar and used car batteries. Never had a minutes problem, either. niio
Thank you Red,
For understanding what I was saying. Sounds like your stepfather knew his electroincs/electrical. Wish I could have met him sounds like a good man.
And I can show other sites that say different.
A car battery can be used but it has to be setup correctly. The discharge rate on a car battery can be fast discharge or slow discharge just as a deep cycle can be used. But changing every month is not happening unless he is overcharging them.
Here is a site that disputes that.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=can+a+car+battery+be+used+in+a+solar+system&form=ANNNB1&refig=d3593be533534f5ba5cf8b0bac76ebec
He stated they could not be used. But they can and for 3 or 4 years which is the normal life of a car battery.
It’s the discharge rate but ok… not my money
No point in arguing. I’ve read that regular car START batteries need all power up front and go bad if drained more than 50% too often and beep cycle can go less power but for longer duration, like down to 29%.
But I only read that info. Asshatius didn’t come to me in my dream and bless my electricity knowledge.
Private!?!? I’m not even in the military! Oh I see, you tried to dis me because you don’t like how your foot tastes. Well sorry to disappoint, I’m just a civilian who buys and sells military surplus, sells it real cheap. Other sellers hate me. I bring joy at only 20%, cheapest around.
Anywho, this conversation is pointless, you’re pointless.
yeah i don’t wanna be buying a military junk from you if you don’t know what your doing.
Raven, They don’t all have to be replaced at the same time but they have to be replaced with the same kind. When I worked in the telecommunications industry and built mountain-top solar systems for radio towers, and when I worked in the cellular industry and managed the construction of cell sites and MTSO (mobile telephone switching office) systems, we replaced 1/3 of batteries at a time, assuming a 3-year life of batteries.
Modern batteries last longer so those still in that business (I haven’t been for 20+ years) may be replacing 1/4, or even less, on an annual basis. I suppose if you have enough systems in place, you could balance your replacement efforts and costs against multiple systems and replace any given system 50% or even greater at a given time.
Even when a brand new system was built, all brand new batteries, we replaced 1/3 at the 1-year mark, even though they clearly had more life, just so we could get the 1/3 per year rotation cycle.
yes they need to be replaced at the same time. you can’t have a weaker battery dragging the system down it makes everything work harder
Well, Raven, I’m telling you what we did in the real world, not on the Internet. In any bank of batteries, there are differences. We actually test and match them so that parallel strings are as balanced as possible at the start but batteries don’t wear exactly even. Long before you replace your battery bank there are weaker batteries and stronger batteries. Your theory is wrong. It works well on the Internet but not in reality.
yeah what we know…. only installed a 30k system but alright
I have never said that deep cycle batteries are not better. What I said was they could be used. Here is the reason I said it.
Say you have deep cycle batteries with your solar system. There has been a WAWKITE and storm comes along and blows a tree over on your battery box and burst some of your batteries and all you have is some car batteries to use. Now using them will get you by. So there is a reason not to say they can’t be used. If you say they only last amonth then in essence your saying they can’t be used.
Using them will damage the others, batteries must be replaced all at the same time
Dreaded, if batteries only lasting a month means they can’t be used then it is you saying they can’t be used. You cannot deep-discharge an automotive battery and expect it to last more than a few cycles. You’re beginning to sound like a Democrat. You’ve been proven wrong but you’re going to hold on to what you said forever, finding any small loophole that keeps you from having to just admit you were wrong or just stop with denying you’re wrong. You don’t have to actually admit it, just quit denying it; let the idea drop.
https://www.lifewire.com/car-batteries-are-made-to-die-534765
https://homebatterybank.com/does-draining-a-car-battery-damage-it/
Anyone who chooses automotive batteries over appropriate deep discharge options for a solar system is choosing failure. Yes, you’re right; people can choose failure. Failure isn’t immediate and the solar system will work… for about 30 days. As reported in the links above, an automotive style lead-acid battery can be over-discharged about 12 times before complete failure.
You still have not, can not, provide a link of someone building and using over time a solar system using automotive batteries.
Look dude, I’m just sharing an experience. I was there when they used an available slave cable( no sizzle sizzle) and also when they used the JUMPER (not a plain ol battery that doesn’t read a faulty battery like a newer jump starter). Sizzle sizzle. So you don’t have to believe it, but now someone might question the same thing to an actual mechanic who may or may not have seen it happen. I could have just saved someone a bit of hard earned cash by being aware or the possibility, if nothing else. Whereas you are hard headed enough the could actually CAUSE a sizzle sizzle. And you’re probably not as experienced with Humvees. Try youtube!
Yay, discussion over!
why in the hell in the military would you use a jumper cable…. when they have the slave cables… My guess is you jumped off a 4 battery 24 volt system to a two bvattery 24 volt system and thats what fried it. Stupid privates doing stupid things. Where in hell you even found normal jumper cables in a motorpool is beyond me.
Dreaded, you didn’t post a link to an article, you posted a link to your Bing search. In that search results, the first 5 or 6 all state explicitly that they won’t work reliably. The first one that suggests otherwise talks about what is done in 3rd-world countries and is on quora. Because quora is where I go for accurate scientific information all the time… NOT.
Yes, you can use a car battery in a solar system and, yes, they do it in 3rd world countries. And, yes, they have to replace their batteries with more junk batteries all the time, just as Raven said. You can use a big pile of NiCad D cells if you want to. But I wouldn’t advise it.
Thank you for the creative infomation.
Good job… I did not read anything in the article about that, but that’s a good one. h a. ha h a…
I have had similar thoughts to what the author expressed. It might all be for naught, I can’t plan for everything, I can’t help everyone, and might get dragged even as an innocent bystander.
Yet, I think while the time I am here, I should be prudent, do as I’d be done by, and prepare for a rainy day or rainy season as much as possible. If I am one of the casualties, then I hope if any of my rainy day items outlast me, they can help someone else.
Once I leave the planet, I won’t have the day in who squabbles over it.
I’m not surprised things in the comments took a turn to spiritual beliefs because I think many, when contemplating on the rubber meeting the road, want their spiritual house in order. In these uncertain times, many see they are overdue for housecleaning.
For myself, I prefer to houseclean daily and prepare inside and outside as best I can.
WMD, and you can own/manage/lead the site; you clearly qualify. Well, we haven’t seen any expertise from you but we’ve definitely seen asshole.
Now was that nice?
Wmd, I thought Dale was pretty sharp on that. If you come complaining, don’t expect to be treated like the her royal highness by adults. Yes, Dale was being very nice.
The truth about prepping is that there is no cook book. Yes of course there are similarities but No two people have the same situation, attitude, skill or reason for prepping. We all need to continually reassess and learn. As for me, just as I thought I had a good handle on things I happened across some interesting things on YouTube. Anyone that thinks they have it all figured out should spend some time watching YouTubes on farm villages in the Phillipines, Vietnam, Thailand or how bricks are made or engines rebuilt in Pakistan. There are millions of people around living a 19th century lifestyle. These are the people that will survive in if extreme times come because they know and live the old ways. It is thought provoking and serves as a good example of how things could be here in the future.
WMD: Very well said. I know a lot of city preppers who are of the same frame of mind,. And, should they survive, will have a lot of real wealth at hand, steel, copper, lead, and so on. niio
Hey, WMD. Now we see expertise! Good job. Now you’re officially in charge. 🙂
WMD, do you ever watch the videos of some of these Asian guys, I don’t know exactly where they’re from; some from the Philippines, I think, building underground homes, with pools, completely built by hand with nothing more than a machete as a tool? It’s amazing what people in third-world countries do to survive because it’s their way of life. I don’t think it’s even 19th-century; it’s more like bronze age, iron age at best.
Yes Dale I have seen those. I am amazed at how people are able to accomplish so much with nearly no tools. I remember one where a guy built a home and a pool in the native clay.
Dale:
I just saw one of those videos on YouTube. It was amazing to watch this young girl of about twenty running around building a fairly large house, complete with furniture and a rudimentary cookstove, by herself with just a machete and the natural building materials of the surrounding areas.
For anyone interested in seeing the video, here’s the link.
https://youtu.be/Mq4VZaPYaDA
Miss Kitty – That’s one I hadn’t seen. You’ve just proven that preparedness starts with knowledge and skills. Every prepper on this site was just owned…. by a girl.
Miz Kitty: Don’t wait for the water buffalo, pilgrim. Git ‘er done! That’s old-school. Anywhere in the world in the old days, a woman wanted a house, she always built it, herself. niio
Miss Kitty I have seen that one myself. I am so impressed with her skill and ability. She would definitely be a survivor.
WMD:
Agreed – she clearly has done this a few times. And I had to just shake my head in awe when she went and chopped some firewood, went and caught a fish for dinner while the fire burnt down to coals, threw the fish on her grill and then went and got some plants for her entrance way while the fish was cooking.
I’m sure we could all learn something from this girl.
Agreed she is inspiring and could teach us so much. You may also want to check out
“Gridlessness” on YouTube. It is an off grid family in Canada.. husband, wife and 5 daughters. Also a very good series.
WMD:
Thanks for the suggestion – I’ll check it out ?
Red:
Unfortunately, here in the US there are so many rules and regulations that no matter how much her home was needed or how well it was built, with all the zoning and other red tape she would never be allowed to move in. Not to mention the prohibitive cost of land and taxes in many places. The gooberment clearly would rather see people homeless, drugged, and pooping on the sidewalk.
Miz Kitty: She’s a great teacher!
Northeast US, yes. Kali, mostly. Most of the country, no. Seminole still build homes like that, as do people in US territories in the tropics. In most of the southwest, if you build a mud shack, it’s considered a home, electricity or not. Outhouses are legal, and most cities allow poultry. She’s doing something we did as a kid, and making it look like a fine place. We were encouraged to learn survival and had fun doing it. when ‘fighting’ other ‘forts’ one thing we learned fast, use black locust in the walls. That made it a lot harder to tear down. When it dried, it sried like iron with thorns. Some, made of willow withies, are still standing and growing. niio
Red:
Currently watching a series on YouTube showing a group of men building an Iroquoian style long house. I read a long time ago that sometimes living trees were used for the frame, assuming they were growing the right distance apart. I assume that would have been for a more temporary swelling, because wouldn’t the growth of the tree eventually pull the structure apart? Right? Or did I miss something?
Miz Kitty: Living trees were used for hunting lodges and for traders. Men building a longhouse? Or helping the woman? Don’t mind me, had a very busy day. Had to run to tucson to pick up some things and the dude never showed. Went shopping, planted a lot of squash, started more, stood there are stared at the hops vines, LOL. It was cool, plenty of roses blooming on the Lady Banks bushes. Now I can fall over, preferably on the dog for raiding the garden, again. niio
All guys, white ones. Here’s a link:
https://youtu.be/Bj62GcWpSUU
And here’s a link to one your dog might like???:
https://youtube.com/shorts/TwFTdDTkmK8?feature=share
Miz Kitty: Can’t be white. We like a little water with our coffee, the less the better. I have a pot like that. Nice job tho!
Daschunds allowing a fuzzy toy, the cat, with them? Must be one mean kitty. Mine only met 2 he allowed in the house, Psycho Susie and Kalid the Terminator. He allowed Susie because he was told touch her and you get a bath.
Kalid was a wild cat from the NYC pound and tried to fought it out with Bob a time or two. Bob, Army weapons expert, sweet as pie when sober, loved war games as long as it was a real war, Bubba the dachshund was named for him; same temperment, messy feeders, if it look like food, it is; if it moves, it’s a chew toy. After the last time Bob tangled with the cat, Kalid wound up in a village far, far from home. A year later, people wondered what happened to all the tom cats, but every kitten born was a gray tiger, just like Kalid. niio
Red and WMD:
The thing I liked about the series was the fact that they really didn’t know what they were doing, but they didn’t let that stop them from digging in and getting the job done. Inspirational.
I watched the longhouse series yesterday and really enjoyed it.
Agreed Miss Kitty, that’s kinda how my father taught me…. If you try it you might be surprised what you can do…. and learn.
Dale, For some reason this came to me after a lot was said about something you said. Earlier you stated when I said in responce to another user about If the all the prepping was lost. That if your preeping was lost, the lord may not replace your stuff but he may have something happen that shows a different way. You said “Dreaded he may just let you die and you need to accept that” and that is true if it is your time in the book of life.
Everyones name is in the book of life, Your days are numbered and you will not know which day is yours but the lord knows. If it is not your day and you have no way then a way will be shown to you. He may just put a thought in your mind, He may make something happens that puts that thought there but if it is not your time to die then you will not die unless you kill yourself(you can rush your time). But if it is your time then you will die and I accept that. I am not afraid of death but at the same time I want to live as long as I can. So I will allow the lord to lead me if he so chooses.
As for the family members fighting and dieing. Each of their names is in the book of life. If it is their time to die then nothing we can do about it.
I don’t believe in pre-destination; it appears that you do. The only way it would make sense for the day and hour and means of my death to be known to God before I was even born would be if all of our life was pre-destined. We have no free will and no choice. God knew before we were born whether we were a stain on society or whether society needed us and no choices we make or anyone else makes can change that. You’re suggesting that nothing anyone else does or that I do makes it where I might save a life. You’re suggesting that when a drunk driver kills a carload of children, it was God’s will and had those children changed their mind about getting on the road that God would inject it into their minds to get into the car so that the drunk driver can kill them.
What about suicide? Is that an act of God?
No, you’re completely wrong on this. We do have free will, we do make choices and our choices matter.
I don’t believe that at all.
First just saw the question about the gasifier. No I have not built one. I do have the material but things conspire against me lol.
I plan on building one but not exactly like the ones shown. I like the one that was for the tractor but I think it needs a better filter system.Those wood gases contain contaminates that will cause engine wear. Just like an engine that has no filter will wear out faster.
There is several videos where people have built them. One guy just had the output gases hose near the engine carburetor and used it to control the engine rpm.
Keep in mind the gasifier will need occasional cleaning so if you build one build it so the cooler, filter and gasification unit can be disaasemebled for easy cleaning. Also I think two butterfly valves connected together so they will open and close at the same time with a way to adjust them to get the air gas mixture for best prformance will be needed.
As to believing in predestiny I don’t. I think God allows us to make our own destiny. What I was trying to say is that the bible has many contradictions. These we cannot understand. If we believe in the Lord then we are saved and should have no worries about dieing, if the family believe as we do then we should have no worries about them. As to them dieing in a fight that we know before hand almost certainly has to happen if we have a WAWKIE. There is no hiding from others, oh you can delay it by hiding stuff that is obvious but you have to use those things over time and people will see you. So staying hidden is not possible. So you will have to fight eventually. SO you have to consider you will lose friends and family during a emergency that a WAWKIE will bring.
Thank you for this great article. This is what many do not want to be true.
Greatings from Germany.
Dreaded:
Is WAWKIE an abbreviation of TEOTWAWKI?
Miss kitty, Not really just another way of saying same thing.
TEOTWAWKI is “The end of the world as we know it” and WAWKIE is “World as we know it ends” which means the same thing. It aslo could be shorter WWKE “World we know ends”
The meaning is all the same when used in prepping. Which means the lifestyle we live in (the present) would no longer exists and we must take up a new lifestyle (after an event).
Everything religon, athiesium, devil worship, build up supplies, guns, equiptment and on and on is a part of life which needs to be a part of prepping. If we fail to take even the smallest thing into consideration then we are reducing our chances of survival.
For instance Christianity brings in helping. “which might mean if you help this person a week later this person tells you about a group heading your way” and so you can prepare a defense. Helping people brings a possiblity of being helped.
Atheist bring in the points of nothing above is going to help you and you have to help yourself. So by thinking of ways you can help yourself in varing situations.
Devil worship brings in killing to take from others. This also could mean you are put on a list by everyone that is not killing to take as kill on site.
All of this adds up to prepping because you have to take in all this inorder to make a general plan.
Since plans are just a way of each person wants things to play out, they will be changed when an event happens. For all the plans made none of them will survive the start of an event. Why because we have to decide to instigate one plan out of the many we make and no one plan will be the best.
For me a general plan is the best, allow yoursleft to be flexible, to adjust to the situation as it arises.
A general plan such as the following must include.
1. Putting up supplies needed.
2. Setting up equiptment such as way to heat your area, generate power, cook etc.
3. Understand what being versitle means. It means to be able to do the same thing in different ways.
4. Being ready to make decisions based on the circumstances as they appear.
5. Understanding the realities. That you or some of your family/friends may not survive, that your situation may force you to kill in defense and that you will have to live with the decisions you make.
6. Long term survival. Gardens, hunting, gathering, fishing, waste disposal etc.
7. Setting you area for defense. Fox holes, trip wires, ways to force intruders to take a certain path etc.
8. Weather and how it effects your general plan.
9. What if all you have is taken or lost at the start of the event. Decide on a course of action.
There is many things that can be added to this general plan list.
Set plans of action delay you for several reasons. One being you have to decide which plan to use and then you have to look at that plan and make adjustments because of conditions at that time.
If you plan on bugging out that is fine but you still have to have a general plan for where your bugging out to. What if your bug out place is found and taken over by some group? This also is a real possibility.
Even a gereral plan may fail you because what if a flood, tornado or nuclear attack destroyes your area? So you have to ask your self what is left of your general plan?
If your general plan has in it what to do if everything you have is gone then you still have a chance at surviving.
So trying to force people to not include their beliefs system is just trying to force people to the way you think. Those people are reducing their survival by not taking in all the information that some of those comments have in them.
Great idea to stock up for a natural disaster, to practice simple family fire drills and evacuation plans, too. But you fucktarded biblethumpers are just batshit insane. Thanks for the entertainment!
Truth be known , everything goes to the great massive storage banks , clouds
past 10 years
we are so close to the end , you have no idea
while you were sleeping , the oligarchy has been planning how to
Take all you have
Keep all you say , keep all you have said , use it against you
and devise methods of control , Manipulation , extortion , so you will comply
that is sooooo evident in the 3 letter offices , depts , and gov. s
you obey the evil or your canceled , suicided or worst
that is the harsh truth
Evidence is all around , not conspiricy , but truth
The brown shirts of evil just showed again what they will do to keep you silent and conforming
Stand UP , Speak Up , Tell all you can , be controlled , be aware , but seek out the truth
The bible tells of this , and you cannot stop it , it will happen , prophecy fullfilled
God never goes against his word , you must seek out , look intently , compare , check the liars networks so you get the truth , not sensorship , not lies from the evil oligarky
keep watch