When a crisis hits you’ll stand a much better chance of surviving if you have a good gun. Whether it’s for hunting or self-defense, the right gun gives you a vital edge.
The problem is that, without ammunition, any gun becomes deadweight. If you want to be ready for whatever life throws at you a stockpile of ammunition needs to be part of your preparation.
The question is, what ammunition should you be stockpiling?
The Caliber Question
There have never been so many calibers to choose from.
A dazzling array of rounds offer everything from great terminal ballistics and phenomenal long-range precision to good performance even when firing subsonic rounds from a suppressed weapon. This is all irrelevant.
As a prepper, you shouldn’t be worrying about choosing the best possible caliber. What you need is a caliber that’s good enough, but more importantly is widely available.
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That means it’ll be cheap enough to stockpile significant quantities before the SHTF, and relatively easy to find, barter, or scrounge afterward. It doesn’t matter how good a cartridge is if you can’t actually get your hands on it.
There are five calibers you should consider for survival use, because these rounds – and weapons chambered for them – are produced in huge quantities and available almost everywhere.
All except one of them are NATO-standard calibers, which means any US military unit and most police departments will hold stocks of them.
Is this the best ammunition in the world? No – but it’s the ammunition that will keep you alive. Say hello to the prepper’s best friends.
.22 LR
The only non-NATO caliber on the list, .22 is a seriously underestimated survival round.
It’s a small-caliber, low-velocity round, but it’s still powerful enough to take small game – and, in a pinch, if you start poking .22 holes in an attacker they’ll probably lose interest quite quickly.
The ammunition is also small, light, and relatively cheap, so you can stockpile and carry large quantities of it – and it should be available in any gun shop.
The .22 is a low-powered round to start with, so to get the most out of it you should look for one of the higher-velocity loadings.
The exception is if you plan to use a suppressor – a bolt-action .22 rifle with a suppressor and subsonic ammo is extremely quiet, and ideal for small game.
Hollow-point bullets will maximize the .22’s utility for hunting and defense. If you can only have one gun, a .22LR is actually one of the best options simply because the ammo is so small and cheap.
12-Gauge
This is the most popular shotgun caliber in the world, and it’s also the military and law enforcement standard, so it’s one of the easiest calibers to find.
It’s also a really versatile one; 12-gauge ammo ranges from light bird shot to Magnum slug loads capable of bringing down large game.
If you’re buying a shotgun aim for one that’s chambered for 3” Magnum shells.
You won’t always need Magnum rounds, but if your gun can take them you’ll be able to use any 12-gauge ammo you can get your hands on.
For the same reason get a gun with an adjustable choke, including cylinder bored.
When it comes to stockpiling shotgun ammo stick to shot rather than slug, because it’s more versatile. Buckshot will bring down a deer just fine.
Look at a mix of 00 buckshot for medium game, #1 shot for ducks and geese, and #7 shot for small game.
Federal law says you have to use non-toxic shot for hunting waterfowl, but otherwise lead shot is both cheaper and better.
9mm NATO
Also known as 9mm Luger or 9mm Parabellum, the 9x19mm NATO round is the standard military pistol caliber and it’s also the most common pistol choice in law enforcement.
There’s a prejudice against it in the US, but some of that might be down to anemic commercial loadings.
The military loading is about equivalent to a +P load and almost any 9mm handgun will handle that just fine – they’re mostly designed with an eye on military or police sales, after all.
In fact, the 9mm is a powerful, high-velocity handgun round with low felt recoil, good accuracy potential and compact enough dimensions that you can fit a lot of rounds in the magazine.
A JHP will add some expansion to its already formidable terminal ballistics, but fully jacketed military ball rounds hit hard enough in most scenarios and tend to give the most reliable feed.
This is going to be my most controversial recommendation, but if you want a handgun that will be easy to feed after the apocalypse, get a 9mm.
5.56mm NATO/.223
The standard military and police rifle caliber is 5.56x45mm NATO, an evolved version of the .223 Remington round. It’s a lightweight and flat-shooting round that hits hard out to around 300 yards from a carbine-length weapon, and there are billions of rounds of it stockpiled around the US in gun shops, police armories and military bases.
Whatever happens to the world this will probably be the last caliber to run out, so if you want a good all-round rifle get a 5.56mm one.
One thing to watch out for is that 5.56mm and .223 rounds are the same size and will chamber perfectly in each other’s weapons, but they’re not exactly the same thing.
5.56mm can be loaded to higher pressures and shouldn’t be fired from a weapon that’s marked as being chambered for .223 – it won’t be proofed to as high a pressure, and can’t safely handle NATO ammo.
On the other hand a 5.56mm weapon will fire .223 without any issues, so look for a rifle that’s stamped – and proofed – as 5.56mm.
The 5.56mm is an intermediate round – power-wise, it sits somewhere between a traditional rifle cartridge and a pistol one.
It’s capable of taking medium-sized game, but for hunting soft-nosed bullets will give it some extra punch. Stockpile those if you can, but in an emergency even military FMJ will be reasonably effective.
7.62mm NATO/.308
Any ballistics enthusiast will tell you that 7.62mm NATO isn’t a great round.
Designed to mimic the ballistics of military .30-06, for reasons that seemed good to the US Army but weren’t, it turned out to be far too powerful for the new generation of selective-fire rifles armies were adopting in the 1950s.
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At the same time, it’s less powerful than the Magnum loads favored for modern hunting rifles.
Still, it’s a hard-hitting round that works well in a bolt action or semi-automatic, and there’s a lot of it around. Almost any military unit will hold stocks, as will most gun shops.
Like 5.56mm, 7.62mm has a civilian, equivalent, the .308 Winchester. Again, both rounds will chamber and fire in weapons proofed for the other – but in this case the civilian round is proofed to a higher pressure, so .308 might not be safe to use in a 7.62mm weapon.
Soft-point 7.62mm projectiles are best for hunting, but even with a FMJ load the big, heavy bullet will dump a lot more energy into the target than a 5.56mm.
There are a lot of great calibers out there, but how long will supplies last in a crisis? A .22 lever action with a round in the chamber is a much better rifle than a .300 Blackout AR15 with no ammunition, so the best survival ammunition cache is one that holds the same calibers everyone else is stockpiling too.
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All ammo, will become priceless at the right time.
I still have some wild cat Winchester 22lr and shorts. price tag is 1.89 a box for long and 98 cents for shorts.
lol… that was a while back.
All ammo is good, when you need it. And we will be needing it.
May your, bulls eye, be on target.
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This is very interesting!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgDdGLdZ_k homemade nitrates for gunpowder
All ammo is good, yup even .40 cal ??
Because even if you can’t fire it, you can still barter with it.
Do what you want – I will never use ammo to barter. That’s the best way to get them to come back and poke holes in you with your own ammo to take your supplies.
Agree 100% Mo Prep along with most items like food, water, whiskey etc. What part of the state are you in show me homie?
Missouri Prepper
I totally agree…my ammo would not be something I would barter with. I never liked to barter anyway so I hope it never becomes a thing I have to do to survive.
I was always taught you never talk to strangers anyway.
This is an interesting question. I imagine the opinions are mostly good. I would like to introduce straight walled center fire ammunition. It’s easy to reload and the brass will literally last forever, if moderate loads are utilized. Caliber is not important just use one that can be shot in either pistol or rifle.
Oh look, another calibers debate. When will people realize that 9mm/5.56/7.62/12g BuckorBirdhot aren’t the only ammo to stock up on. Also bartering is nigh impossible with our society today and especially during SHTF. What’s the going rate for rice and ammo? 1 beautiful wife or 1 beautiful wife and daughter combination. Here’s the thing, bartering means you’d have to be somewhere safe to setup shop and if everyone knows your name like the theme song from Cheers then you’re toast. SHTF to me means outta sight, outta mind.
If you’re bartering with ammo, you better be right how trustworthy they are.
Otherwise, it may come back to haunt you.
Any ammo (or knife, arrow etc.) that penetrates major blood vessels or best case central nervous system will stop an attacker pretty soon.
However, if that attacker is enraged or hopped up on drugs pretty soon might be an eternity for YOU. I was on duty when 2 MP’s dumped almost 20 9mm Full Metal Jacket pistol rounds into an enraged guy with a buck knife.
The attacker was quite dead, but he didn’t know it yet, until AFTER he almost disemboweled BOTH MP’s. I was on OR duty that night so I spent the rest of the night until relieved by Day shift putting them back together.
No Pistol round nor 22 will reliably STOP an enraged human nor a tweeker.
Speech to text
Michael there’s two problems with your statement not actually what you said but the story itself caliber and training when I left the military in 2009 the MP service weapon was Beretta 9mm 9 mm is known for penetrating power not stop and drop like a 44 so 9 mil yeah it will definitely go through somebody not necessarily that’s going to drop them second problem Exodus training military is taught center Mass you shoot center Mass all day long think about it when honey shoot a deer in the lungs what’s going to happen is it going to drop right there not unless you hit the heart no it’s not it must effective kill shot is a headshot if somebody’s coming out of a buck knife that close range and they’re using a pistol it’s safe to say they could have aim for the nose instead of the chest even AC/DC had it Right there lyrics shoot to kill
Good grief, I’m not a grammar or writing Nazi but use a period now and then. Smh
Missouri, he was using “Speech to text” as stated as the first line of the post, which does not add in grammar.
A 10 Gauge with hollow point slugs will work just fine.
meh its like shooting a 500 grain beowolf….
But a lot of folks, including shootist who have begun to experience the ravages of time find the 10 ga. hard to handle. John Taffin who spent his life shooting way more rounds over his lifetime than almost all of the rest of us acknowledges that he no longer shoots heavy recoiling firearms, that his body can’t take it.
In addition, I doubt you will find 10 ga in Uncle Mike’s Bullets and Bait in Cut and Shoot, TX, but I guarantee you will find some 12 ga.
Next Level Gun Works is the shop closest to Cut And Shoot, TX, about a ten minute drive.
https://store.nlgunworks.com/ammo/shotgun-ammunition/federal-premium-vital-shok-10-ga-35-18-pellets-00-buck-shot-5bx
WOW ! ! ! A 150 gr. .30-06 doesn’t bother me. That load makes me flinch just reading about it. Also the 1.75 ounce slug listed just below. I don’t know what the foot-pounds of energy are in recoil, but I’ll bet it makes most grown men stagger. AND they don’t go to the range and fire a round of sporting clays with it either. If they do, I’ll bet it is only once and they take a week off work to recover.
dz: the kid’s sergeant said they were sent to Cebu. I don’t know much because it’s sort of still classified and I lost contact with his bros after he died.
Your wife is Filipina? Clergy Lady’s one daughter-in-law is, but her son and mrs are stuck in the Philippines thanks to red tape and health issues (his, not hers). niio
This is an interesting question. I imagine the opinions are mostly good. I would like to introduce straight walled center fire ammunition. It’s easy to reload and the brass will literally last forever, if moderate loads are utilized. Caliber is not important just use one that can be shot in either pistol or rifle.
Sadly 9mm military ball ammo is pretty garbage unless you hit the brain or the heart of a determined attacker. It only really comes into its own out of a carbine or sub machine gun where the longer barrels up the velocity and the energy it dumps into a body. We should’ve kept the .45 ACP but we made an agreement with NATO to switch to their 9mm ball standard. Fortunately, 9mm +P hollow point from reputable manufacturers works great.
It’s not that I’m not a fan of 9mm,
I’m just a lazy shooter
I don’t like to pull the trigger more than once.????
American Handgunner just had an article be Will Dabbs, MD, complete with color pictures of a friend of his who was shot with a 124 gr. 9mm hollow point Sig Sauer V Crown bullet in the calf. The shooter’s comment about getting shot was that it felt like he had been hit with a baseball bat. Then in about 15 seconds shock hit in and he was done. Fortunately for him, other l.e.o. back up had arrived and put the b.g. out of action permanently.
It was a through and through wound. Entrance wound was nasty looking, but nothing like the exit wound which had a chunk of meat torn out. The shootee has to have another procedure to remove pieces of the truck seat removed from the site of the bullet path as they were creating a pocket of infection and necessitated removal and debridement of the pocket.
So even though he was “only wounded in the leg” and no arteries were damaged, the shock of the wound took him completely out of the fight. Oh, no broken bones or major nerves were damaged either, what the GIs in WWII used to call the million dollar wound. Get you out combat and maybe a trip out of the war zone to a hospital in England or Australia and maybe out of combat period.
The V Crown isn’t +p. It is standard velocity but it is a hollow point and worked as designed, creating a one-stop shot, even though not in the main trunk but “only” in the calf. Easy for me to say. It wasn’t my calf with the nasty holes in it.
most handgun rounds suck at instantly killing. they don’t have the speed to destroy like a rifle bullet does. Henseworth we don’t arm troops with handguns but rifles….
Eric
Our Concealed Carry instructor was a county deputy sheriff. He and another deputy went to arrest an individual. They were attacked so they drew their 9mm and shot the guy…8 Times…once in the mouth. The bullet ricocheted off a tooth and went out his cheek. The 8 shots didn’t kill the attacker. I guess they could have kept shooting until they emtipied their mags. Kinda like the old story when the judge ask why did you shoot him 8 times…because my gun didn’t hold 9 shells.
Our instructor stopped carrying the 9mm and started carrying a .45.
Mailpouch: 1st heard this from an uncle who went Army in the 20s. When we were trying to keep the Philippines as a US territory, solders were dying from Moro spears. We were armed with 9mm and a Moro would kill, then jump to the next soldier. It took multiple shots to being one down. Soldiers got disgusted and had family send them .45s and ammo and that turned the Moro. funny thing how a decade ago, my youngest son was there fighting on Cebu to help free them from terrorists. niio
why didn’t the army in the 20’s use rifles… The same stupid caliber debate of 9mm vs 45acp… The 1911 was a great invention and pretty cool for its time. however its extremely dated and no where on par with glock’s and modern semi auto’s.
Get whatever works for you. All Handgun calibers suck and don’t have the hollywood effect of one shot one kill like you typically see. They just don’t have the speed of a rifle round to create the hydro static death like a rifle bullet does.
red, looks like our “Charlie Foxtrot” X-spurt doesn’t have much experience in extremely dense jungle tactics or real history about WWII.
For terrorists on Cebu, are you talking about Abu Sayyaf? My wife’s family is “at war” with them on Mindanao, and sometimes SOCOM hunts them on Jolo and Basilan.
If i am going to fight in a “jungle” i am not taking a handgun as primary. Give me a SBR over anything. Hell the M4 was designed for a reason. i’ll take 30 rounds of rifle caliber over 7 to 15 of some pistol round.
My HD go to gun is a 7.5 inch pistol AR.
If I was going to take a pistol with me overseas then it might be either a 40 or 9mm. Both have more capacity where in a military engagement ammo count matters more and especially after that single fight is over. Don’t get me wrong, 45 is great for the street depending on the load but in the middle of nowhere where you might not be able to restock then 40 or 9mm is the way to go for me personally.
agree, 9mm ball is best for target practice, +P hollow points for defense.
10mm for men
No argument to the reality of your experience. My regular training routine is two rounds to the thoracic cavity within 2 seconds from concealed carry…and if the threat is not stopped, a well placed round between the eyebrows and the moustache. Interrupting the CNS generally ends the event.
sounds good, please teach everyone you care about how to do the same.
And here we are making what we’re illegal street drugs legal, and offering the first available licenses to sell to those who were convicted of selling illegal drugs. What possibly could go wrong?
Actually you’re wrong on allowing illegal drug dealers a license. In actuality they’re allowing hedge fund kids to do it due to their connections and especially their parents credit scores. If they allowed illegal drug dealers to go legit then that would end some of the gang violence in many inner cities due to being legit is more beneficial than having shootouts over corners. Just my experience.
Total: It’s not going to happen on street corners. Where pot is legal, it’s a store. When Switzerland was paying for free needles, pharmacies jumped in and undercut illegal dealers.
Any place a government can make a penny, you know the old saw, bought a quarter knife to skin a nickel flea. They’ll have the IRS arresting people and making them disappear. Now, if caught cooking whiskey you go to jail for a few years. Back when Prohibition began, you got caught, you probably did not survive to go to court.
BTW, the Swiss discovered handing out needles went over like a lead balloon. Millenials were trying it, people who would have avoided it once because dope was illegal. Holland tried to, same results, ditto Mexico, and the nation grew very strict. niio
12 gauge 00
The 1911 45 ACP was invented to stop a crazy Philippino because the .32 was not capable of doing that. There was a story when I was in the navy about a guy who lost it and grabbed a fire axe and commenced chopping holes in the water tight doors on the main deck. This was at night, and he was a big guy. When he advanced on the quarter deck the PO of the watch, the only guy with a gun, was a skinny electronics tech. He pulled his gun and shot the guy in the chest. The guy dropped the axe, but turned and walked off. He did stop, but went a goo way before he dropped.
When my brother was in Afghanistan he put 17rds of 9mm in a Hadji who was hopped up on heroin that was attacking the base, and the guy just kept coming. Brother finally pulled his M4 and put a hole between the guys eyes to stop him.
In my 27yrs as a cop most shooting deaths I worked were done with a .22 LR using ONE SHOT. NOT a 38,9mm,45,10mm or even a 12ga. Don’t underestimate the .22 for stopping power. I also like the .22WMR and the .327 mag. NOT the .357 I mean the .327 mag. Has almost the same ballistics as the .357 but far less recoil which I need due to neuropathy and arthritis.
I would like to add a thought, if the prepper reloads, familiarize yourself with straight walled cartridges and the associatiated firearms. Shotguns of course fit this category. Straight walled brass will last pretty much forever if you keep your loads conservative you can make projectiles and even powder in a pinch. You’ll need to stockpile primers though. Personally when I practice my shooting skills I have found that it doesn’t cost very little to do so.
the shotgun thing is funny like the military uses it all the time. ( really the story behind the AA12 failure is a good example of how limited the shotgun is used)
556/223 you can make solid kills out to 600 and 800 metersl Beyond 600 the 62 grain is a around 1700 fps from a 20 inch barrel. So still lethal and most parts kit Ar 15’s should be able to hit a 20 inch target at that range. The operator is the key and who knows with the limited shooting most people do.
the 308 as some sad caliber is funny. Who wrote this. article must have a hard on for the M1 Garand which really by the middle of WW2 was out dated and kinda of a silly rifle like the SkS became.
AR10 are heavy hitters and you can go a little further and you do back a harder hit at distance.
The thought process that having a ak47 and you will get battlefield pick up ammo is funny. (they don’t use x39 anymore . its all 5.45 at this point and a much better caliber. The x39 should of been on the list along with 5.45 and the oldest caliber still in exist fighting… x54R the one round that truely most people had a chance to stock deep for cheap.
My EDC is a 10mm glock and i would say 10mm Is what Elohim blessed us with. Its what he will carry in the second coming.
Do you enjoy collecting as many “thumbs down” your posts as possible? Seems like that’s the goal with you.
Do the world a favor and suck start your sks
Have you ever shot an M1 Garand?
I have one time, fired a clip through it and hit moa every time. I would love to own one but just do not have the funds to buy one lol.
Yeah neat relic plenty of better options like the AR15 out there.
wow, yes! niio
Maybe check out Caliber Adapters. A single shot 12 Gauge with modified choke barrel can fire .17 .22 38/357 .40 .45 ACP or long colt 9mm .380 .410
12 Gauge 20 Gauge I can’t vouch for accuracy.
Also Black Powder adapter and Iron sights.
Stugots: I know a lot of black powder folks and they love it. In the end, what will we have? Homemade black powder. when Timor rebelled against Indonesia, guns had been outlawed, and Indonesians were stealing children to sell as slaves. Timor had no guns, but banded bamboo with iron and made matchlocks. It worked, slavers ran, complained to the government, and Indonesia sent troops. that was all right, because those matchlocks wiped out a lot of troops, and Timor armed itself from that. niio
about as useless as shooting a bullet down a tube
I have all that’s on this list but I prefer either the .308 or my trusty .45 Cal., get hit with it in the chest you are going down.
depends if they have armor.
head shots. If you can determine in advance they are wearing body armor, or shoot center mass and don’t get the reaction you expect such as splatter and blowback, then stop wasting ammo shooting at the armor, go above, below, or around. A 150-grain round that shatters the pelvic bone will drop anyone. Someone mentioned a song about “Shoot to Kill”, I agree, and also with “When the Bullet hits the Bone” as long as it’s the right bullet in the right bone.
yeah but the two way range is pretty wild….
Hit em with a 45
450 Bushmaster-45-70 ,45 pistol Armor or Not they’ll Hit the Ground,-Hard!
It’s hard to function with the wind knocked out of ya.
100lbs or 400lbs they will be Stopped
armor? try green tip
Green tip doesn’t bust steel cernamic or all plates. it was designed around a older Russian body armor..
In some cases with 18 inch barrels and above it can penetrate some levels of plates.
Dude eat a Snickers.
A case I personally handled involved two MPs on main gate duty on the midnight to 0400 shift. The worst shift of the night as far as I am concerned. To while away the hours they started practicing fast draw with their service ,45s loaded with standard .45, 230 grain ball ammo. Along about 0300, deciding it was getting close to time the Sgt of the Guard was o check posts they decided o quit. However one went for one last fast draw. His buddy, despite having reloaded his sidearm, also drew and hit his fellow MP square in the chest at bad breath distance. The round glanced of the shootee’s breast bone and traveled between his skin and ribs, exiting just aft of his armpit. It then exited through the wall of the guard shack, proceeded through the metal wall of a Quonset hut, through the interior plywood wall, through the plywood wall of the inner room where a staff NCO was sleeping, ditto on the other side of the hut, exiting the corrugated metal on the opposite side of the hut to disappear know not where, providing early reveille for the staff NCOs sleeping in said Quonset hut. Thus establishing beyond any doubt that it was a full power .45 and not some squib load left over from Guadalcanal.
Our luckless shootee after some hilarious dialogue with his fellow shooter walked up to sickbay some 50 yards from the guard shack, awakening the on-duty Navy corpsman who proceeded to daub some antiseptic on the entrance and exit wounds and applied a bandaid to each, wrote out a 3-day light duty chit and sent him on his way.
Both were relived of a stripe each and assigned duties that did not require being armed except for a plunger and/or a mop and bucket.
I also, while confined to the U.S. Army hospital, Ryukyu Islands had a patient next to me in the ward who had, while practicing fast draw, and having a trigger finger somewhat faster than his drawing hand had shot himself with a service issued .45 acp 1911A1 in the thigh. The bullet cut a long deepening groove in his thigh until it entered the knee joint whereupon it penetrated his knee joint, doing a significant amount of damage to said joint, exiting on the opposite side of his leg again in a long groove getting shallower as it approached his foot, luckily for him, exiting just above his ankle. He was not going to be able to bend his knee after the damage done to the joint. He would walk like Chester in Gunsmike for the rest of his life. He was also looking forward to being discharged with a less than honorable discharge and would not be eligible for any veteran’s benefits due to his negligent discharge and subsequent self- inflicted injuries.
So the .45 acp is not quite the 100% man stopper that it is alleged to be.
Also, within the last 5 years gun magazines have carried the tale of a trooper engaged in a shoot-out with a bad guy. The trooper hit the b.g. With 17 rounds of 185 gr. hollow pointed .45 acp ammo. The articles never stated, but I suspect the trooper was using +p ammo. It wasn’t until he managed to place one in the b.g.’s brain bucket that the b.g. finally realized that he was actually already dead and stopped shooting and fell over.
The 5 calibers mentioned all work well and are readily available. Yes some of us have 7.62x54R and 30-30’s etc. but that is not the point of the article. It looks like the 5 calibers mentioned, and for the reasons mentioned are great.
Your bored guard duty quick-draw competition must be something more popular than I’d imagined. A couple of guys where I was got bored one night sitting around the guard shack while waiting their turn, thus the idiotic quick-draw stunt. Mags out of course, but one of them left a round in the chamber (because earlier he just HAD to play with his side arm) during the competition and he managed to send a round straight into the other guy’s chest about where the solar plexus is. I wasn’t there that night, but the guys who were said the recipient of the .45 acp kiss went down, quivered, and simply stopped breathing. Medics showed up quickly, said the guy was likely good as dead as soon as he hit the floor since a center-mass shot with a .45 acp ball shocks the system, and the heart, if not actually perforated, suddenly forgets what it is and what it was doing and just stalls. Like the guys a century ago said, hit anybody center mass with a .45 acp round and they’re pretty much done and done. Really tough guys might somehow manage to survive a hit like that but they won’t be doing much for a while. That quickdraw incident caused a huge s**tstorm and got talked about all over for nearly a week. The squadron (we were Cav) CO sent a memo to all the squad leaders with the standard warnings and scare tactics about playing around with loaded fire arms etc ad nauseam… I still found it hard to believe that there were fools wearing an Army uniform who would do something that stupid. I didn’t know either of the guys in question. But I didn’t need to be told twice about “messin’ around with a loaded pistol”. Hell, I never needed to be told the first time. Today I have several pistols all different calibers from .22 to .45 acp. Even if the mag is out, the pistol is still loaded til I rack the slide and I can look in the chamber and down the barrel to see daylight to make sure there’s nothing in the pipe. Anybody else who doesn’t do the same is always gonna make me nervous…
The .410 is the best of the bunch shoots the shotgun or pistol ammo both.
.410 is way to pricy and i haven’t seen that on the shelf in 18 months.
Lead will eventually become more valuable than gold.
Also remember: If you HIT with a .22 and MISS with a .45, then the .22 would be the cartridge of choice.
You cant miss fast enough to win a gun fight…
Speech to text so if it seems a little weird please try to figure it out
One type of ammo I use that term loosely that I didn’t see that I think personally would be a good ammo to have on hand is snap caps.
No one who’s worth their weight enjoys dry firing a weapon over and over or at all. Snap caps allow for continuous training in the weapon without spending limited resources of ammo it’s also good to have on hand for the unskilled and just learning ones
You can make snap caps with old shell casings. Punch out the primer and fill the case with silicon until it extrudes from the primer pocket. You can drill out the flash hole to make it easier for the silicon to extrude. Make sure the silicon completely fills the primer pocket. It doesn’t have to fill the case, just enough to insure a secure base for the silicon in the primer pocket.
Let it dry and trim any excess on the case head with a razor, make sure there is no excess left on the case head but that the silicon is flush with the case head. Voila! You have a snap cap. Repeat as necessary.
If you want to make a more authentic snap cap, you can probably push a fmj bullet into the empty case. If I did that, I would use my reloading dies to seat the bullet to the appropriate depth and crimp the case mouth. I would then paint any cases so loaded with very bright fingernail polish and let them dry thoroughly before using.
Very nice and creative LCC
Not gonna say nothing about the nail polish ? though.
Exodus, I use white and red nail polish to touch up on some of the open sights and the safety selectors. Shows up very well, is durable, and only costs about $1.00 per bottle.
Exodus: the nail polish is to make sure you don’t pick up a live round thinking it is one of your snap caps and do a Baldwin.
i hate safetys on handguns but the polish works on irons decently.
LCC
I think you might have missed my joke.thats ok. I understand all to well, much like using a paint pen or white out to mark gear placement/timing.
Primers, and to a lesser extent powder are problematic.
I have often taken the thought road of reloading 45-70 with ‘homemade black powder’.
With me it won’t go beyond thought, but an interesting path.
There’s no doubt a .45 slug will stop an aggressor. But for hunting and survival, this may not be the best tool. And honestly, unless you’re actively engaged in a weeks-long firefight you’re not going to go through an ammo can of .45’s. for quite some time. For hunting small game, and doing it without bringing attention to yourself, a .22 cal air rifle can be an excellent tool.
I recently purchased such a rifle and scope from the local sporting goods store along with a can of pellets. I walked out of the store with my purchase and no background check. That day my son and I dialed-in the scope and found that at just under 42 yards that rifle shooting a .22 lead pellet at 1000 FPS had no trouble going through a 3/4″ thick piece of MDF, and the neighbors had no idea. Oh, and the cost of the can of 200 pellets? Less than $8.00.
A 45 slug may stop an aggressor… same for a modern design 9mm+P.
Agree with the Air Rifle. I have a very old Beemans R1. Merely 1000fps with .177. But I have bagged jack rabbits, quail, dove, possum, and raccoons (watch out, raccoons are super tough). Surprisingly I brought down a crow at 40yds and a pigeon at 70yards (scoped rifle and hit the 4th one from my hold over the target… got the range right but the wind drift resulted in the 4ith of seven birds lined up getting hit).
Basic planning: have on hand ammunition for the firearms you have. Other ammunition may become handy for trading and arming friends. However, as you feed your family first so too feed your own firearms first.
How can I get a ghost gun? And how much do they cost?
How can I get a ghost gun? And how much do they cost? And or can someone teach me how to build one for my self and where do I get the parts?
build a 80 pecerenter its all online and sadly because people like dale voting for biden … the 80 perenters are going to be banned
You can buy the almost finished firearm from several different sources on line. You don’t have to assemble it right now, but download and save the instructions on a back up computer that you have in a faraday cage and wait for the day when it won’t be illegal to do so and then assemble it. Be advised that while it may not be difficult for someone with some mechanical skills, completing a “ghost gun” is not for the mechanically inept. It is not quite as easy to do as the media would lead one to believe.
From just your inquiry, I would suspect that you might not be successful in doing the machining necessary to do the completion. It’s not quite like the all-precut model airplane kits that one can buy. It is more like the older ones where one actually had to cut the parts from balsa wood with an exact knife and then assemble them.
You would need a router and the jig. You can find the 80percent lowers online. You can buy a complete upper already assembled. You would then need the “lower receiver parts kit” from either the same source or wherever else you would buy it. Then you buy the stock, buffer, and buffer spring. Follow the You Tube videos and you will have what you need.
Fallacy is worrying about a firearm “in your name”. People on here are foolish if they don’t believe that “they” will be going house to house.
I would build the firearm as soon as I got the parts to do it and not wait. Having a drawer full of parts when SHtF will do you zero good.
All together with Jig, Router and complete parts you will be looking at about 1K and up. The jig and router you can use multiple times of course.
Hope this helps
Consco
You will need a “Mill machine” to do what you are talking about.
Not a router.
red ant;
80% lower kits are made specifically for router use.
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Okay I found it. I see it’s a cheap way to do stuff for your gun.
I would not trust a cheap way to do gunsmithing on my guns.
but if it works. Then go for it.
remember it is an explosive device. I’ve seen what can happen to a gun when it is done wrong or cheaply.
good luck…
The router works fine. Laugh Out Loud not a “cheap way” to do anything.
I have worked extensively with tools for 52 years. I have built several firearms.
This method from 80% I’d spot on.
It does not take a milling machine. For the record I have a Bridgeport milling machine and yet the jig and the router are what I use…..
After people actually build their own using tools feel free to comment.
It is easy. No need to go to PSA as Raven suggests for the lower. Build your own lower and buy the upper from PSA. You will learn how and why the rifle works as it does.
Built a 80 %and built way more stripped lowers…. Why spend more to build a 80% when Anderson lowers are like 40 to 50 each. By the time you price and do the work on it your way over the amount of a stripped lower and for what. something you still need to get coated with Ceracoat and add that cost into it.
its a novelty thing to do if you’re really bored and have the time and extra money to blow. however either buy a built rifle and go have fun or learn a little skill sets and put one together. The AR is easyiest one to build
I see that technology has advanced to the point that precision dose not matter as it did in the earlier days.
That is good for the novelist.
but precision is most important to me.
They say that the deffrence between a good job and a not so good job is 15 mins. I say it’s the person, not the job.
good luck…
accuracy in the rifle has nothing to do with your lower. Its in the barrel, trigger, optics and you…..
My AR10 is holding a 1/2 moa and that’s just with factory match grade 175 sierra. The barrel, trigger and optic are all that’s really matters. mil spec is mil spec so the only thing i ever found to suck was polymer builds.
I understand.
When I am working on milling something, I was learned to be as precise as possible.
So I have carried that learning process, my whole life.
Always do a 100% and you will always get a 100% job…
What type of Ammo would be used in a ghost gun. I really want a hand ghost gun 9mm. To keep away from the government. I don’t want an intruder to come into my house unannounced. You get the picture? I have only fired a 45 when I was in training. I loved target practice. But a ghost gun I should be able to take a part and separate it from the Gov.
Judy, “ghost guns” are replicants of commercially available guns, so if you take it apart, it still looks like guns parts, as in, a firearm barrel still looks like a barrel whether it is assembled or sitting all by itself on a shelf or in a box. I think what you are looking for is called a “buy, build, shoot kit” where everything needed to build your handgun is included in the box, but you will still have to mill some of the components. I haven’t seen any “buy, build, shoot kit” in stock for over a year.
If you want, do a search for “80 percent arms” and go from there. Be forewarned very few kits have all the components to make a complete firearm, most rifle kits do not include the “receiver”, which is often sold separately and is the part you will need to properly mill to get it to work properly. Handgun kits are also variable what they contain. Some kits don’t include the barrel either, so very carefully read what is included and understand what you are buying before you submit the order.
Good reply. Judy, I don’t know what state you are located in, but many states still allow private sales between citizens that do not require notifying any governmental agency. So basically the trail becomes more difficult. If you buy such a firearm, make it a cash transaction and get a bill of sale from the seller but be sure to leave the buyer’s name off until you are home. The trail will endcwith the seller and all he will know is that he sold it to some unnamed guy or gall and a vague physical description. Instant”ghost” gun.
Read up on what to look for in used guns before you go shopping. You don’t want to buy a pig in a poke to find out later that it is a useless piece of junk.
Ammo is in plentiful supply. There are on-line ammo suppliers such as ammoland.com that have ammo in stock and ready to ship. Smoky Mountain Knife Works has ammo for sale. SMKW.com. Be sure you are going to the correct site. There is a bogus site that uses a very similar url.
You are not going to buy 500 rounds of .22 Winchester .22 LR for $9.99 any more. Those days are gone forever. You should check prices on line at a variety of sources to make sure you are not overpaying. There is a difference in paying normal price which market realities and paying panic prices which have no basis in reality except that demand greatly exceeds availability.
Finally, there is no magic wand that someone can wave and make you have the years of experience that some of us have acquired the hard way. I have been prepping since before the turn of the century. I have been shooting for 69 years. I have lived for 80+ years. There is no brain transfer that I can pass everything I have learned in those years. Because of my occupation for a quarter century, I may have garnered more knowledge about gunshot wounds and the results than most cops on a beat unless their beat was in the depths of some Fort Apache neighborhood. I have seen the autopsy report and heard the coroner’s testimony regarding the effects of 29 ga. bird shot when it hits the human torso at close range. I cited two examples I had detailed knowledge of regarding .45 acp wounds. I had an employee who shot himself in the leg while fast drawing. Luckily for him it was a.2/ from a pistol so the damage wasn’t too great. While working st 12th Naval District Legal Office I handled a shooting case involving a lead round nosed .38 special through and through chest shot that barely missed the Hearst. Another bandaid fore and aft case. I reported a murder case that involved two .45 acp shots at powder burn distance both of which nicked the heart but did not prove fatal. Just a few exposures to g.s.w.s that did not meet expectations.
So you have to get busy and start educating yourself. There is a lot of good information and some pitifully poor information out there. Compare everything you read with your life experience and common sense. Does that seem practical? Does it ring true with what I know?
This website contains a gold mine of information from folks who have been there and done that. With every post there is an article from an earlier date. Be sure to read both of them. That will bring you up to speed as fast as anything I can think of.
Beware of adamant, positive, no room for any other idea type statements. If the person making the statement doesn’t back up his statement with facts, disregard it.
You can see my statement about 10 ga. shell availability in Cut and Shoot TX. I should have said Santa Barbara, CA. Or Sausalito, CA, two cities I know more about than Cut and Shoot TX.
Hey LCC what if there are no facts to someones story., because it was a life story that they may have gone thru.
So saying what you said about disregarding someones post just because they have no facts to make there clam true or false.
Not cool by saying that. but it’s you. So I can understand.
Judy just like I said in my post. YOU use your mind. No one will be there to help you. so its up to you to believe or not to believe what some one has posted.
good luck…
post some good back…
shut up AFT
judy go back to fed school
What do you mean by that unless you are thinking of another Judy. ? I asked questions about the ghost weapon because I don’t want this regime to find out. I didn’t vote for this. I voted for freedom. I was just starting when the plandemic started and I wasn’t even able to get the target practice bullets. I don’t want to be up a creek without a paddle. But they got rid of the bullets before I had a chance to purchase anything. Don’t get mad at me for being late to this game. They are doing a lot of stuff to Christians now but soon it will be a nightmare if the rapture doesn’t come soon enough. The Cabal will be after anyone who will not take the shot.
Judy
use your mind to prep and don’t worry about what others say or think about you and your ways.
Just keep prepping and don’t worry about a ghost gun. Just get one that is NOT in your name. You then have a ghost gun.
Good luck…
Your use of the term “ghost gun” has me thinking you are a leftist troll on a phishing trip with ATF/FBI on speed dial. To make the best ghost guns, you will need a Ouiji board with a USB port and connect to a 3D printer. You can then produce AR15 that shoots .50caliber heat seeking missiles out of 1,000 round mags.
It’s unfortunate that there is no open forum for off topic subjects
There is valuable information from Michael Snyder that the MSM
will never bring to our attention.
Since making an agreement with the Nixon administration in 1974,the Saudis have traded oil exclusively for U.S. dollars.
Today approximately 80% of all oil produced in the entire world
is traded for dollars,and the “Petrodollar”has become one of the
fundamental pillars of the current global financial system.Far
more dollars are actually used outside of the U.S. than inside
inside the U.S.
Up until now there has been an insatiable demand for U.S.
dollars all over the planet. All of that is about to change.
Saudi Arabia is actively engaging in negotiations with Chinese
officials to price oil sales to China in Yuan instead of U.S. dollars
China being the worlds biggest importer of crude oil is offering everything you can possibly imagine to Saudi Arabia.
Currency is the number one thing that the U.S. exports,and if
the rest of the world decides it doesn’t need or want our
currency everything will change.
If you think inflation is bad now…….
Unfortunately, too true. There are so many examples of countries issuing valueless dollars that it makes one wonder what the most brain-dead legislator is thinking. To even the most disinterested observer it must appear that there is no more thought process in DC than there is in a 20-year non-responsive patient. They just passed a 7 billion dollar spending package on top of the 23 billion dollar spending package passed previously this year. If walnut trees grew everywhere and if one could obtain walnuts by merely picking them up off the ground how much do you think walnuts would sell for in a grocery sized bag?
Same thing with dollars. When there are a bazillion dollars floating around the world not even in paper form but as zeros and ones on computers what do you think a dollar is worth? Hold on for a wild ride. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
Completely agree with you.
This would be a financial collapse scenario. Period.
However China can’t be trusted and the Saudis know it.
After Afghanistan and a few other misadventures, it seems the USA as an trustworthy ally is also pretty tattered.
Some 70 percent of all the dollars out in circulation are outside the USA. Some call it exporting inflation and when we lose the Petrodollar status they will roll back into the USA.
Expect prices of imported items (almost everything, eh?) to double. Prices for US produced items (mostly food IF not sold off to China like this year’s Wheat Crop) to increase at least 50% or worse, given the Sock Puppets handlers making our Oil and thus fertilizer production off limits.
Plant potatoes, it’s a start. Ammo is but a tool. Skills and trusted friends are ASSETS when times get weird. Get right with your creator, we will all meet Him.
like anyone would trust the usa to do anything but screw it up
Palmetto State Armory has such a forum.
ST
Can you put up that forum.
That talks about that router.
you mean the 3k 80 percent router…. it’s nice but at the rate palmatteo offers lowers you would be better off buying the 3 pack of stripped lowers for 150 bucks and ship it to your FFL. You can build a ar15 right now for 400 and then factor in your ammo mags and optics but that is the cheapest i have seen. Or bear creak aresnal sells a finished ar15 for 350.
Do not overlook or disparage primitive weapons. (Dennis the Menace slingshots excepted)
Modern “wrist lock” slingshots excell at taking small game silently, albeit at shorter ranges. Generations of native Americans depended on knives, spears, and archery for hunting. Any/all will provide for the table allowing conservation of that scarce and valuable ammunition. As always, practice is the key to proficiency.
yeah nobody wants to be fighting with sticks and rocks….
raven: Our version of kali is called stick fighting. It came from Appalachian Indians and was still used when I was a kid. Come the time you run out of ammo, you’ll see the need. Study everything and survive. Pass it along to the kids so their children will survive.
Steve W
I’ve been told the Cherokee also hunted small game with blowguns and darts. I’ve watched blowgun shooting and dart making demonstrations at the Cherokee National Holiday in Tahlequah Ok. In years past they had a blowgun competition.
I’ve always wondered about the tiny flint points that were called bird points. Maybe that’s what they were used for…blowgun darts.
Yeah, Dad made us blowpipes, darts, but tipped the darts with small needle points he cut on the forge. A piece of fire-hardened hardwood is good, as well, or sharpened bone, but those iron points went a lot faster with less wind drift. He liked the atlatl, as well, but they were only good when hunting in the fields. niio
Hmm. No mention of the lowly 20ga shotgun.
Enemy just has to bit a teeny weeny bit CLOSER….
Good hunting round too for general hunting (small to mid sized game).
Crazy, 20 gauge is good, and I still have a single shot 20ga I used for hunting when I was a kid, and about a dozen boxes of shells for it, but the article is focusing on the five most universally common types of ammo, so if you have any of those weapon’s the ammo will probably be easier to come by. In comparison, I have a couple thousand 12-gauge rounds, some for hunting, some for defense.
80% of the power of 12guage, 50% of the recoil. And you can carry more shells in same container.
First the ammo you need is for whatever guns you own. If you are not comfortable with a certain caliber and/or cannot master it, then do not get that caliber gun even if someone says you need it.
Another thing to consider is how much ammo you need.
If you go hunting and are an average shot which most hunters are then you might get by with 500 rounds for your hunting gun. That would be averaging 1 shot every day and that will give you over 1 year before you run out.
But on the other hand, if you are not an average hunter and you average 3 shots taking game then you will have 4 months’ worth of ammo at 500 rounds.
These figures are just to show how much ammo can be used not what I think I would use in that time period.
So, the amount of ammo for hunting depends on how good a shot you are, how much game you have to have for your family to survive and how long you think you will need it before things return to normal (if they ever do).
Even expert shooters miss game. Game hunting is not like target shooting.
So, anyone who says you need this type of gun or that type of gun is guiding you wrong. What you need in a gun is one you can get ammo for today and one you are comfortable using. The only way to know is go to a gun shop that has a range and rent the guns and try them. Yes, there are certain calibers that are better than others for hunting as there is for defense but since there are so many calibers that fall into these categories it will be up to you to decide. What is good for me might not be good for you and this is the truth.
You will not be able to get ammo after the world as we know it comes to an end. Why because it might be years, or it might be never before there will be any more ammo being manufactured.
Now what I own is an AR15 556/223, 12 gauge shot gun .22 rifle, 308 rem, 17hmr, .243 rifle, 50 caliber muzzle loader, 9mm Glock, Tarus 9mm and a 30-30 Winchester. I have a let’s say enough ammo for them that I am not looking for more. But now understand I have traded up on all these guns, ammo and did not plan on owning that much ammo or that many guns. I have sold off several guns I did not like because either I was not 100% comfortable using them or I was unable to master them quickly. My grandson has a 7 mag and it had so much recoil I gritted my teeth every time I shot it (though I did hit the bull’s eye every time). If you dread shooting a because of recoil or sound, then that is not the gun for you. I am 70 years old, and the recoil does affect me so, I do not shoot the 7 mag.
Another thing to consider is a bow and arrow. Which I bought a cross bow and some arrows if push comes to shove, I can make arrows and can make powder for the muzzle loader.
So, you see the thing you really need to remember is the availability after TWAWKIE, the gun you are comfortable with, can master and what you believe you can do after you run out of ammo because no matter how much ammo you have you will eventually run out unless you are rich enough to buy skids of ammo. Then they will still not have ammo because it will eventually become old and unusable. This may take ten years, but it will happen. If TWAWKIE then it may take 20 years or it may never return.
Something I remember from military training with the M16 about the 556/223 has not been said.
That is the effect the bullet has on the body as it penetrates. What I was told about the 556 is because of its shape the bullet it starts to tumble as it enters the body. As it tumbles meat raps around it and when it exists the hole is much larger then where it entered (this is if the bullet does not hit bone). I was told this was the reason the military went to the 556 instead of a larger bullet. Now I have not hunted with the 556 or seen any animals killed with 556 so I do not know for sure this is true, but it was what I was told during training back 52 years ago.
It’s not but the speed causes extreme hydraulic shock under 300m.
Ubiquity of ammunition, magazines, parts, and tools is something I keep in mind. Might make for a boring gun collection, though.
not really and think about it.. I broke some 10/22 parts the other day. Now i am dead in the water till midway can ship it out.
I own a few of those as well as the .40 S&W and the Mosin-Nagant (7.62x54R). It’s not as handy as some others because it’s long, heavy and only holds a few rounds but I love the Mosin. It’s cheap and a reliable hunting rifle for deer.
The Mosins nagants make a decent rifle if you can find a Fin model or a clean Russian. I built up a heavy barrel Nagant with a decent scope and boyd stocks. It shoots really well and a blast to have fun.
Trying to get a load to shoot it about a moa at 100 is the goal.
I had a Turkish made sks 7.62X39 and have heard people say these are not good guns. LOL I went hunting with my grandson. I used the sks and my 14 year old grandson used a 12 gauge with slugs (at that time they were the only two guns I had). You probably will not believe this and it will probably never happen again.
I put my grandson at the corner of two fields that had a good field of view and a lot of deer sign. I went on down into the wooded area north of his position. Since we were still hunting without any climbing gear or stands. I found a place along a creek run where a tree had fell and was laying fairly flat. I sat down on the log. Of course, I had camo on and hunter orange. I sat there for about an hr when I heard walking which turned out to be my young grandson and he asked if he could change positions to a place on down the creek. I told he could.
We sat there another hr when I heard movement in the woods to the west of me. I finally saw 3 does 1 yearling and two about 3-year old’s cross the creek. They come to a stop about 75 yards from my position across the creek to the north. I started raising my sks to take a shot at one of the older does looked directly at me, at which point, I froze. Try holding an sks chest high for 3 or four minutes and not moving ?. Well to make a long story short the deer finally looked away and I finished Rasing my rifle, aimed and fire for a heart shot because of bushes’ it was the best shot I had. I fired and of course deer started running every which way lol They ran in a circle and I fired a second time at the one I thought I had hit but she ducked about time I fired could not see if I had hit or not. Well about that time the other older deer decide to come across the creek right in front of me (heading at a slight angle) The angle gave me another heart shot so I took it. She ran about 10 yards down the creek and crossed over and fell.
I decided I had better see if the that second shot, I took had hit or not so I went looking for blood trail and found nothing in the area where she was when I took the shot, so I decided to track her an make sure. I tracked her about 200 yards and no blood and seen her laying down about 50 yards away. When she saw me she got and run so she was not hit. If I had hit her there had been enough time for her to die or become weak enough she would not be able to run that fast. During this time I heard that 12 gauge go off and I said oh S***. I knew my grandson had just shot that yearling. That meant two Deers to drag and clean. Sure enough he had shot her in the chest and took out the hole chest cavity.
Now here ids the part you will not believe. The deer I shot whit those heart shots. From the angles the first shot went through the lungs and ended up in the left shoulder and the second went through the lung, heart and ended up in the stomach. But the skin did not have but one hole in it so both bullets went through the same hole but at different angles.
The sks is a good gun but it is how good a shot you are with it that counts. That 762×39 is about like using a 243. It can kill and is a decent hunting rifle, but it does not have the power a larger capacity cartridge like the 7.62×54
My guns were stolen a couple of years ago- except the 22s. Pistols and rifles are here. A couple have nice scopes. So thats it for me. I don’t have the money for anything more. I used to kill enough quail with head shots to feed 4 adults and 3 boys. 0 misses. My son and I are planning a day of sighting in the scopes and practicing with each weapon. I have some regular long rifle and some 17 gr long rifle ammo. Bought it last year when my favorite shop was going out of business. I’ve set aside 200 for a play day. Also practicing up on my rusty archery skills and old wrist rockets. My wrist rockets used to kill prairie dogs with small smooth stones. I may purchase a jar or two of glass balls but for now I’m again using stones from area streams. Fine for practice.
My new project for others is identifying edible or medicinal plants as spring arrives. I’ll write the info on river rocks and set them next to the plants near the church parking areas. A common name and how to use it. A learning opportunity for anyone interested. I’m encouraging Dads that camp, hunt, or fish to hold a Saturday or two of showing the church kids how to set up a camp. How to build different styles of fires and how to cook out of doors. Info a lot of kids don’t have. I’ll demonstrate making a sleeping platform/bench, and a simple shelter, a heat reflecting wall, ect. I have a hugh pile of year old branches. Perfect for that kind of project. I also have a flat stone perfect for cooking inside a fire ring. I want our youth to have a chance at survival if they ever have to head up on our mountain here. I’m also teaching water bath and pressure canning at church this year. I have an old propane stove I’ll set up in the outside cooking area. Only the burners work. Just fine for canning on. I have a regulator set up to use a BBQ size propane bottle. One or two classes unless there is more interest.
Good to see you back in the circle. You’re getting things done on your end, and a lot of it is being done here, as well, thanks to concerned citizens. niio
something very cool
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgDdGLdZ_k homemade nitrates for gunpowder
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Gene Bosch,
I had couple of rifles that used pistol ammo and I shot enough ammo through those rifles to know a little about pistol ammo. First you not much better of with a rifle shooting pistol ammo then you are using the pistol. You may gain 25 yards accuracy but is that enough to warrant having the rifle wieght?
I had a 9mm rifle and a 357 magnum rifle and had pistols too. I could hit as good with those pistols at 50 yards after that both rifle and pistols had a decrease in accuracy. Yes you might have a small amount more knock down but it is not enough warrant carrying the 6 to 9 lbls of rifle. What I am saying is this I will carry a hand gun for close quarters fighting and a rifle for long distance but that rifle had better be worth carrying. I would say a 30-30 for most areas around here or 308 is for the few areas where there is long roads or fields. Rifles are for hunting unless it is a 556, 7.62 or sniper then it will be good for defence.
My HD gun is a pistol AR in 556., rather fight with a rifle than a hand gun.
Pcc have a good purpose too.
the best ammunition to have around when SHTF is what fits and is effective in whatever weapons you have with you. yes, it really is that simple, but please research the differences such as ball (round nose) vs hollow-point, full metal jacket vs core-loc, what is AP?, what is green-tip?, and for shotguns the differences between bird shot, buck shot, and slugs. Each have a purpose and are better for some things than other rounds, depending on the need.
I wish you could still get ap ammo.
bad boys! LOL.
interesting, but I have not verified the accuracy
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/military-optics-red-dots-lvpos-more-guide/
The acog is an excellent example of one
The acog is an excellent example of one
They start the woods on fire not exactly what I would really want to see
In my 27yrs on the job I saw more people killed with ONE SHOT from a .22 than any other round. So don’t discount them. No it wouldn’t be my first choice but ANYTHING is better than NOTHING.
As for bartering with ammo —NO WAY. As several have said that person could come back and TAKE what they wanted using that very ammo. And you should NEVER barter at your bug out location and once done with any barter go home in a roundabout way making sure you aren’t followed. People are not going to be the same under a SHTF scenario and that will be especially true with family and friends who have been telling you for years that when it happens “I’m coming to live with you”.