Since I was about seven years old, shooting has been a passion of mine. When I got that first Daisy bee bee gun for Christmas and started shooting squirrels off of my grandmother’s bird feeder, I was hooked.
I moved on to my grandfather’s .22 rifle and then was given a Marlin 30-30 rifle when I was 12. I loved target practice, and eventually started competing in rifle tournaments.
My family has always taken pride in being a solid shot from a long distance. I heard a story as a child that my grandfather and some friends were sitting by their trucks up on a ridge drinking beer after a long morning of hunting. Down on the field below my grandfather noticed a good-sized buck running across at a decent speed.
At about 300 yards he set down his beer, took one open-sights shot, dropped the deer, and finished his beer. This may have been exaggerated over the years, but it made me smile to tell that story to my son.
Any marksman knows that tiny little changes in our shooting routine can make all the difference in the world. Sometimes we get into a slump in which we start having trouble with accuracy without an obvious reason. It is almost like getting the ‘shanks’ in golf. A tiny little adjustment in your equipment or shot process and the whole thing is out of whack.
When this happens, you must diagnose the issue like a doctor would diagnose an illness. You must consider your potential causes and narrow it down using process of elimination.
There are several reasons for inaccuracy that you might not consider initially. In this article, we will cover eight of the biggest mistakes you can make while shooting, and how to correct them.
Wobbly Rest
Your rest is your foundation for an accurate shot. The stability of your rifle and the stability of your rest both equally affect your ability to keep your sights on target. The more solid your rest is, the better chance you have of keeping the rifle steady. This may seem like a simple thing, but many people overlook the importance.
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Last deer season it was cold and pouring rain on opening morning, so my son and I hunted from the truck. We parked at the top of a hill on a large utility right of way on my uncle’s land. Several deer came out into the clearing at 200-300 yards. Normally with a scope and a good rest this would be a done deal.
However, the truck was running and the vibrations from the engine were making my rest unsteady. I was having a hard time keeping the crosshairs on the kill zone. I ended up waiting until a deer came in to about 150 yards and dropped him with a heart shot.
The point is that even the tiniest wobble or instability in your rest will make a big difference. When you are target shooting, try to use a heavy bench rest that will not move on you.
Do not use your support hand too much. Just let the rest do its job to support the weight of the rifle and allow you to pivot to line up your shot.
Wobbly Scope
A rifle scope is only as good as the quality of its mount. No matter how powerful your scope is, your shots will be inaccurate if the mount is loose. There is nothing wrong with mounting your scope yourself, but you need to do it the right way. Make sure you buy quality rings and bases.
You can mount your scope with a normal mount which blocks the open sights. You can also use a raised mount so that you can still see under your scope to use the open sights if needed. This can be helpful if your target is moving, or your lighting is not ideal.
To mount your scope, first you need to hold the rifle steady in a vise grip. Be sure to use some sort of padding so the vise doesn’t mess up the finish. Once it is level and secure, you can install the scope following the instructions. I suggest using a torque wrench to tighten everything to factory specifications.
One issue with scopes is that you can sight them in perfectly, but it will do you no good if your scope gets bumped on the way to shoot. The key to keeping your scope accurate is to tighten screws on the mount to manufacturers specs.
In addition, you must be careful how you transport your rifle with the scope mounted. I suggest a hard-shell case that is wide enough for the rifle with the scope. This will protect the scope and prevent it from being bumped. You should still be careful with the rifle and place it in a secure spot in the vehicle where it will not move around.
I took my survival .22 rifle with me on a survival challenge a few years ago.
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I was headed to Kentucky and didn’t know what to expect, but I thought there might be some squirrels or possums that would work for dinner. I packed my rifle into my pack with the four-power scope mounted on it. When we arrived on site, we had to hike a few miles to get to camp. On the way I saw a squirrel at 30 yards. I got out my rifle, aimed, and fired. I missed completely.
Then I realized that my scope mount had loosened on the trip, and the scope was almost falling off. If you are careful about mounting and transport, this will not happen to you.
You can also buy a laser rifle sighting tool. These devices have bullet sized tips that hold them inside the bore of your rifle at the proper angle. On the other end is a laser that projects the path of the bullet.
If this laser dot lines up with the crosshairs on your scope, you are good to go. If not, you will need to make adjustments. Many professional guides and hunters that fly with their rifles use these tools every time they shoot.
Shoulder Pressure
This is one issue I have recently had myself. When I get really comfortable with a weapon, I sometimes loosen my shoulder pressure. Every shooter has their own preference on how much shoulder pressure to apply with the stock of the rifle.
If you use very little shoulder pressure, the rifle is more likely to move when you pull the trigger. You don’t necessarily need to pull your rifle as hard as you can into your shoulder, but there should be a moderate amount of pressure.
Really the key is consistency. No matter how much shoulder pressure you prefer, you need to stick to that amount of pressure every time you fire. Accuracy is all about consistency and repetition.
It is no different from a basketball player going through the same free throw routine every shot. Before you take each shot, just ask yourself “Is this the right amount of shoulder pressure?” Then you can settle in to line up your shot.
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Poor Conditions
While you may not have much control over this one, it is a variable that we must consider. Temperature, wind, lighting, and distractions can all factor in to your ability to shoot consistently. When you need your groupings to be consistent, find ideal conditions for shooting.
If it is too hot out, you can deal with mirage as the heat affects your view of the target. If it is too cold, you could be a little shaky when taking your shot. Obviously, wind can greatly affect your accuracy, especially at longer distances. 
The sun location might cause glare on your scope lens, so be cautious about sun location in relation to your shooting direction. Low lighting on cloudy days or at dawn and dusk can make shooting more difficult.
Also, if you are at an outdoor range and there are people making lots of noise, it can make it hard to focus on your shots.
Jerking the Trigger
The way you pull the trigger on your rifle can completely throw off your shots if you aren’t careful. This is quite common when people are new to shooting, but it can happen to anyone.
The proper way to pull the trigger is to firmly squeeze it. Sometimes people will jerk the trigger when they are ready to shoot. This typically will move the rifle to the left or right producing an inaccurate shot.
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You want to pull the trigger in a way that it does not move the barrel of the rifle at all. This means the movement needs to be straight back at a steady speed.
You also need to be sure the trigger rests in the center of the first section of your trigger finger. If the trigger hits that section of your finger to the left or right, it will mess up your trigger pull.
Follow Through
With every sport that involves a projectile, follow through is drilled into our heads. Whether it is football, golf, baseball, archery, or marksmanship, you must follow through. This looks a little different for each scenario.
With each of these sports, there are certain mechanics that make your shot or throw more accurate. Follow through is the process of holding to these mechanics after the shot or throw to ensure that you don’t flinch at the last second.
For example, follow through is huge with a golf shot. I used to take lessons, and I was always told to keep my head down and keep my left elbow locked, until the ball is well on its way. If I did not follow these steps, I would look up as I took my shot and would slice it or shank it every time.
With shooting a rifle, you simply need to hold your aim until the bullet hits the target. Your natural reaction is sometimes to pull your head up and look at the target immediately after you fire.
This can cause you to jerk the rifle and miss your target. Keep your rifle still with your crosshairs on the target until the bullet hits. Then you can review your shot.
Hot Barrels
You wouldn’t think it, but the heat produced by repeated shots can affect the barrel of your rifle. If you are shooting on a hot day and fire over and over, your groupings could get two or even three times as large because of the heat.
Try to let your barrel cool every few shots. You can also shoot in the shade or bring a portable fan to help cool the barrel. If nothing else, you can bring a few different rifles and switch periodically so you always shoot with a cool barrel.
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Ammunition and Reloading
Any time I purchase a rifle, I like to take the time to find an ideal ammunition for my needs. I like to buy small boxes of three or four different rounds and try them all out. Whichever ammunition gets me the best groupings is generally the one I go with after that point.
If you switch ammunition types, there will always be difference in accuracy. You want to try and use the same ammo every time you shoot once you find a favorite.
You also need to be consistent with your loading procedure. You wouldn’t think about it, but how you load your magazine or rifle does affect your shots. The angle of the bullet as you load it, the force you use, and the speed at which you reload can affect the rounds. Just develop a routine and do it the same way every time. There is no right or wrong method as long as there is consistency.
I hope this helps you figure out how to fix any mistakes you may be making while shooting your rifle. If your groupings are not as tight as usual, go down the list.
Before you change anything, take notes on each of the eight areas we discussed. Identify the ones where you could need improvement and eliminate the rest. Then, take each one and try to fix that issue and only that issue.
If fixing that issue fixes your groupings, you found the problem. If not, move on to the next potential issue. Eventually you will figure out what you are doing wrong and get back to those quarter-sized groupings you like.
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Know your weapon, know your ammo, and …… PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE
Trigger pull should be so slow and steady that when the round
goes off the shooter is surprised.
If your site picture starts starts moving don’t force the shot.
Back off,get your breathing right,and start over.
When I instruct someone in trigger pull I found I was using terms that did not properly describe the process. Slow and steady or squeeze did not seem to sink in. I have adopted Smooth Pull to describe what I wanted. It seems to work better. My 2 cents…
Always good to read articles with important points on honing and maintaining gun survival skills. Opportunities to do so here in the big city, nil that is unless you are either a street thug, gangbanger or member of Ms 13. It is very difficult and expensive for law abiding citizens to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Safety is of issue now for everyone, and people are starting to realize that they need to be able to defend and protect themselves. To do that, the ability to train and practice to maintain skills is of upmost importance. Just like in rural areas, by the time the city cops come now, it’s all over. Thank you for this article. It reminds those of us here in the big city, that we still do have God given rights.
Not true, City Chick. If you already have a firearm, you can practice dry firing in your three room apartment. All of the pro shooters state emphatically that they spend far more time dry firing than they do firing live ammo and they get their ammo free if they are sponsored. If you can find a real expert, he or she can analyze your technique as you dry fire and give you advice on eliminating errors that you were not aware you were making and tips on how to improve everything from handling the firearm to how to hold it for shooting.
Instead of trying to get an unobtainium handgun, I suggest looking for a pistol caliber lever action rifle. For some reason they are flying under the radar presently. One of the reasons lever actions were so popular before the U.S. got off on the bolt action .30-06 was because they held at least as many rounds as a bolt action and one could operate the lever without taking the firearm from the shoulder, thus enabling keeping eyes on the target and cycling the action faster than a bolt action. .357 magnum gets a bigger increase in muzzle velocity and thus impact on target than other pistol rounds in a rifle, including the .44 magnum. I have read in a reputable source that at present, the .357 is loaded to greater chamber pressures than other pistol rounds and that may account for the bigger increase in muzzle velocity out of a rifle as compared to other pistol rounds from a rifle.
There are other semi-automatic pistol chambered rifles but they generally look like the weapons of mass destruction, the M-16 look alikes that strike terror into the hearts of politicians and bureaucrats everywhere. They will soon be on the proscribed lists too if Two-Blasts gets his way.
To prevent screws from backing out of sight bases and rings, apply either Loctite purple or Loctite blue to the threads of the screws after sighting in is done. Loctite purple is the lightest holding product in that line and while it retains the screw in the socket, screws thus cemented can be removed with hand tools. Loctite blue holds with a bit more aggression but screws thus retained can still be removed with hand tools. Loctite red, green and black will require heating and are not recommended by the Loctite Company for small screws and ones that will fracture or distort easily such as aluminum. If the bolt is big enough and you are strong enough with a long enough lever, you sometimes can break red loose without heating. It depends upon the phase of the moon and whether you have recently irritated the gods of frozen bolts.
I would second PB-Dave’s comment about practice. But meaningful practice. Going to the range and blasting away and feeling good about your shooting because most of the shots were on the paper somewhere, isn’t practice. You need to look at each shot and try to figure out why the shot went were it did. Did you call the shot and did it go where you called it?
Practice does not include using a rest while sitting at a bench once your rifle or handgun is sighted in. In an EOTW situation you rarely will have the opportunity to use a rest. I never practice with a handgun with live ammunition closer than 25 yards. If you can put 50 rounds out of 50 in an 8-inch circle at 25 yards, 15 and 10 yards will take care of themselves. There are all kinds of drills that call for shooting at 7 yards, 10 yards, 12 and 15 yards. They are based on life where the rule of law still exists more or less. I submit that in a world without rule of law if you allow someone you don’t know within 15 yards, you are already had and won’t last long. That is what I practice for. With good pistol skills at 25, 50 and 100 yards, I don’t need to get all sweaty about shooting at closer distances.
Now, in a world where the rule of law still more or less exists, shooting someone who is not shooting at you or demonstrating that he or she has a firearm and intends to shoot you at 100 yards will put you in jail for at least a short while and make you jump through legal hoops and possibly earn you a more extended period in the crossbars motel making all kinds of interesting new friends. You need to apply the reasonable man standard. Would a reasonable man fear for his life if his assailant was 100 yards away? That’s where courts and lawyers and juries get involved. In an EOTW situation, the courts and lawyers and juries will be non existent and you must use a different standard depending upon the times.
Obviously, if there is a handy rest, a fork in a tree branch, just the trunk of a tree where you can brace yourself or your firearm, that is better. You should practice shooting sitting and prone with both rifle and handgun. If your knees can take it, there is the kneeling position which is steadier than offhand. you should practice with your weak hand as much as your strong hand with your pistol. If you are peeking around the corner of a building to your right. It is a lot safer to shoot with your left hand if you are right handed, than to expose a lot more of your body and shoot strong-handed or right handed..
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Stu: Did you notice that the scope was badly canted in the photo through the rifle scope? No wonder the author has trouble hitting his target. Not only is the rifle canted, but the scope is badly canted also. Don’t know if that was supposed to be an example of a badly mounted scope.
I practice in adverse conditions as often as possible. I have a photo of my husband shooting outside last year. I am holding the thermostat reading -4 degrees. Yes, MINUS. We also shoot when it is 104 degrees. We shoot in rain, and snow, and wind. Reading the wind is an art (and I am not an artist). We also shoot the cheapest, cr@p ammo we can find. That way when we shoot better ammunition, we shoot better. We shoot standing in the water. From fox holes. We shoot from trees and from roof tops (just one roof actually). A few weeks back we shot while harnessed to a rock wall (that scared me A LOT. You now all know my weakness.) We do not wait for the weather to be right. We do not cancel trigger time very often, if ever. We also dry fire our carry guns for 30 minutes each, three times per week. We put a coin atop the front sight and we practice with different distances and in different rooms with different lights. We see who can keep their coins on the sight the longest. We also practice drawing. My husband was stabbed in his dominant hand many years ago (when both parties run out of ammunition, sometimes hand to hand combat ensues). The damage is permanent and his hand shakes and flexes uncontrollably. So he trained himself to shoot with his other hand.
Sure, conditions can ruin your shot. But train to overcome the conditions. Also, my husband has been in the jungle where he was not only shot at, but was actually hit (he is VERY grateful he was hit by a .223 (no, he was not shotby an American) and not a 30 cal). The point is, he said that whole adrenaline rush and tunnel vision is BS. He, and a few of his co horts lead me to believe that muscle memory is superior to the stories of tunnel vision and adrenaline. My husband was hit in his right leg. His crew says he stood up and continued to clear the field. They secured the targeted building. They finished their job and their transport got my injured husband to a field hospital (he had surgery and was flown home only to return the next year). The point once again, training is superior to all those stories you hear of what others go through. But then, maybe my husband just got used to being shot at????????
Not true, Left Coast Chuck. This City Chick doesn’t live in an apartment, a condo or a coop. Not everyone around these parts are cliff dwellers, and just like so many other folks around the country, lots of us prefer to hone our skills in the great outdoors. With the weather reports we are hearing here, this weekend, we sincerely hope all is well with you and the family under “the dome” on the left coast and that your electricity is not interrupted.
CC: Of course, I forget that not all denizens of NY live in multistory warrens. However the overall intent still applies. If you don’t already have a firearm, instead of seeking a “modern sporting rifle” as the firearms industry likes to call AR look-alikes, or a 19 round capacity, striker fired plastic pistol, there are alternatives that while 19th century styles, are still effective self-defense firearms. There are some with even a modern touch. For a while Browning made a lever action in rifle calibers that took a box magazine. One could fire pointy bullets from that firearm without fear of setting off a chain reaction in the magazine.
I don’t know how many they sold but at one time Remington made an 870 style .223. It was built on the 870 frame, was a pump action and fired .223 or 5.56 rounds as fast as one could operate the pump action. With the weight of the 870 reducing felt recoil, getting a round off, cycling the action and re-engaging the target was as fast as almost anyone could operate a gas operated .223. It used regular AR magazines. Now that Remington has been tossed to the wolves and divided up into many pieces, no one know what may be emerging from the purchased Remington firearms division.
As I inartfully tried to point out, lever action rifles seem to have flown under the radar. You can buy lever action rifles in .22 LR, .357/.38, .44/44 mag., and .45 Colt. Of course you can still buy them in .30-30 and .45-70 which is certainly a manstopper and .444 Marlin which is also a significant caliber. It is reputed to be more capable than the .45-70, although in my book, dead is as far as it goes. There aren’t comparative forms of dead. My lexicon does not include deader and deadest except in a jocular form.
And, as I have mentioned in this list and in previous posts, dry fire exercise is a rewarding pastime. That it is effective in improving one’s firearm skills is evidenced by the testimony of every professional shootist who has expounded on the topic. Every top notch professional shootist has repeated over and over again that they spend far more time dry firing than they do live firing. When one considers that they fire, in practice, anywhere from 10,000 rounds of live ammunition upwards every year, the means they spend hours a day dry firing. I try to spend time several times a week dry firing. I don’t do it by time. I dry fire my .357 Ruger Security Six, 12 times double action one handed; 12 times double action 2 handed; 12 times one handed single action thumb cocking with my strong hand; 12 times two-handed, single action, thumb cocking with my weak hand. I repeat the cycle but instead of 12 times, I fire the same sequence but in two instances I can’t do it 12 times and so fire to failure. My left hand is considerable weaker than my right in revolver shooting as almost all of my shooting until about 5 years ago when I got serious about prepping, was done double handed and thumb cocking was done right handed. My left hand was just more or less along for the ride.
I need to do two things. I need to make some dummy .357 rounds. Loading .38 special rounds which is how .35 caliber snap caps come is different from loading .357 rounds. The .357 rounds are longer and don’t load from a speed loader as smoothly as .38 snap caps. I also need to make two sets, 12 .357 rounds so that I can unload and reload during the 12 round sequence. In an EOTW situation, I would use what is called a New York Reload which is another revolver so that I would have a total of 12 rounds without having to reload. By the time I have expended 12 rounds without resolving the situation, I would hope to have reached my shotgun or rifle to augment my efforts.
My rifle is an SKS with a ten round magazine and loads with stripper clips. I believe it was Will Dabbs, MD who, having served as a battlefield emergency physician in our misadventures in the Middle East opined that if he had a choice, he would rather be shot with our 5.56 round than the .30 caliber 7.62 x 39 caliber round favored by what we call insurgents. It was his hands-on opinion, having treated numerous wounds inflicted by both cartridges that the 7.62 inflicted more damage than the U.S. round. That’s just one man’s opinion, but considering that he has had multiple trips to that benighted region and treated possibly thousands of wounds inflicted by both, it carries more weight with me than someone who has only seen perhaps 50 or 100 wounds inflicted by possibly unknown cartridges.
The SKS also seems to fly under the radar. Perhaps because it looks more like a “conventional” rifle than the AR, has a wood stock and no pistol grip or flash hider or any of the other appliances that seem to strike terror in the hearts of hoplophobes of all breeds. Mine did have those incredible appliances of mass destruction, a bayonet mount. However, I cured that problem by cutting the bayonet mounts off when the PDRK hoplophobes threatened to make the SKS with a bayonet mount a verboten weapon. I have no intention at my age with my antique knees of mounting a bayonet charge with my SKS. If I have to do some bayonet work, it will be with a real rifle, an M-1 which also has that dreaded appliance of mass destruction, a bayonet mount. But inasmuch as it only holds eight rounds, it is relatively harmless and the federal government is still busily selling M-1s to civilians as fast as they can fill the orders — at considerably over cost, I might add.
When a relative of mine acquired his CMP M-1 for, I believe, $135, he got either a factory rebuild or an M-1 that had never been issued. There wasn’t even a follower mark on the underside of the bolt. The stock was brand new walnut. The bluing was perfect on every single part and the bore was bright and shiny. Even the metal buttplate didn’t have any marks on it. Today, even welded shut, non-firing M-1s go for almost $300.
Well, got a little off topic there. If you belong to an NRA affiliated shooting organization, you can apply to buy an M-1 that is functional. It has been thoroughly inspected and is safe to fire. It my not look like my relative’s M-1 but it will work without blowing up in your face. search Civilian Marksmanship Program to see how to acquire “the best battle weapon ever devised”
You’re most welcome LCC!
Here are the biggest shooting mistakes one can make – (1j Not being a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment, and (2j not being an active member of the NRA.
The nra isn’t helping the second amendment
Raven TM – Five million people disagree with you.
Lol nothing is going to change a thing. I am not on the board of the nra… they run it like garbage. They by far sold out on gun rights. They suck and no they have nothing to do with keeping the 2a
Lets see they backed the bump stock ban. Supported the huges amendment in 86. They wrote in the nfa act as well.
Yeah the nra sucks and Wayne helped steal your money.
While I don’t often agree with Raven, in the case of the NRA, I have to go along with his evaluation of that organization. For too many years the leadership of the NRA refused to sully their hands by coming out against various firearms laws. They were a “sporting and target shooting” organization and limited their activities to those endeavors. Too late they realized that if they didn’t get politically active there wouldn’t be any sporting or target shooting. Even today, there are members of the NRA board that look askance at the most popular firearm in American history, the modern gas-operated semi-automatic small caliber rifle which the media and various political wonks like to call an assault rifle. In 1940, it would have been. In 2021 it isn’t close. The Army has been looking at dumping the .22 caliber military shoulder weapon for something just a bit more robust, like .27 caliber, the original caliber design for the famous M-1 by Mr. Garand.
Unfortunately, Mr. LaPierre has been in office far too long. He has developed, in my opinion, the feeling that many employees get after they have been in one job too long. The feeling that the organization just can’t operate if they are not involved. They start demanding perks or assign perks that have nothing to do with the job. Bespoke suits at the expense of the members’ dues have nothing to do with the job. An African safari, again at the expense of members’ dues has nothing to do with Mr. LaPierre’s job. The proposed house to be built, once again on members’ dues has nothing to do with Mr. LaPierre’s job. As I list those three items that are general knowledge among members of the NRA, I am sure there are far more examples of waste of members’ dues on behalf of Mr. LaPierre that have yet to be uncovered.
While some politicians view the NRA as the 800 pound gorilla in the fight against violations of the Second Amendment, I would submit rather than a real 800 pound gorilla, it is more akin to LaPierre dressed up in a gorilla suit — paid for with members’ dues.
While I think a bumpstock is a toy to be enjoyed, perhaps on a .22 rifle for shooting at tin cans on a warm summer afternoon, making that particular item illegal is just another camel’s nose under the edge of the tent. The recent change-about by the ATF, not congress, the ATF, should have been resisted with all the vigor the NRA could muster. The same is true for what are being sold as braces for rifles. I think they are an interesting gimmick, but not really suitable for any real practical purpose. But again, another blow against the Second Amendment if the NRA doesn’t come out swinging on the issue. But how can they? LaPierre is fighting with members’ dues to keep from going to jail in New York. His attempted end run in bankruptcy court got blown out of the water and the bankruptcy judge’s comments more than hinted at deep rot in the financial aspects of the NRA.
So, while it can still be a major player in the fight against encroachment on the Second Amendment, and while I have been an endowment member for quite a few years, my Biden Bonus is going to Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America, Gun Owners of California and California Rifle and Pistol Association. I will put the NRA back on my donation list when they clean house.
I like the irony of donating the totality of the Biden Bonus to various organizations dedicated to supporting the Second Amendment at a time when Two-Blasts is mewing about doing something about gun violence. He might start with instructing the attorney general (not worth caps) to enforce federal laws regarding felons in possession of firearms. He might also instruct the attorney general (maybe it should be the attorney lance corporal) to prosecute and seek stiffer sentences for folks who make straw purchases for firearms that are used in crimes. Start publicizing that Suzie X who purchased the guns used in the San Bernardino shooting a few years back got 20 years in Leavenworth rather than the sixty hours of community service and a fine that won’t ever be collected that she really got.
Well then, if you all don’t like Wayne, could care less about the organizations top management team or the direction they are taking, get in the fight and get in there to make a change. Who else is out there doing anything? What’s the name of the group? Let me know so I can join. No organization is perfect, but above all one needs to stand up for ones beliefs and not back down! It’s the only chance we have here as NYSRPA Lawsuit goes to the Supreme Court. Without the NRA there would be nothing happening!