If an armed society is a polite society, then the state government in Texas has just made a very deferential population.
The latest gun law that was passed on September first in Texas seems like an unlikely win considering the state of affairs, however, it has come to pass.
Gun owners and supporters throughout the state are rejoicing in new freedom.
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed! All over the state of Texas preppers are looking around and considering how the new Texas gun law will affect preppers.
What is the New Texas Gun Law?
HB Bill 1927 was enacted as the Firearms Carry Act on September 1st, 2021.
In short, the bill states that anyone who 21 years or older, and can legally possess a firearm, is allowed to carry said firearm without a permit.
So, it’s basically permit less carry for all legal gun owners.
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The Language
AN ACT
relating to provisions governing the carrying of a firearm by aperson who is 21 years of age or older and not otherwise prohibitedby state or federal law from possessing the firearm and to otherprovisions related to the carrying, possessing, transporting, orstoring of a firearm or other weapon; creating criminal offenses.
How is it Good for Preppers?
EDC
EDC or Every Day Carry is a big part of being a prepper. The items that you carry on a day to day basis has everything to do with your level of preparedness.
Most preppers either carry a firearm on their person or in a bag as part of their EDC, if it is legal. I bet plenty carry in places that it’s illegal, too!
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The biggest cities in America tend to have a problem with people being able to defend themselves and it should be no surprise that in those cities there are incredibly high rates of crime.
HB 1927 in Texas gives preppers the right to outfit themselves in any way they see fit with any gun or guns!
That is a bit of a game changer. Carrying around that SBR or AR Pistol in a backpack might be the new move for a Texas prepper.
2nd Amendment Protections
You do not have to pass the BAR to understand that our 2nd Amendment is under near constant pressure from legislators.
They are slowly chipping away our right to keep and bear arms. It’s ugly but it’s happening all the time.
Whether we see things like Red Flag laws or the banning of certain types of firearms, it’s clear that gun violence is a problem most representatives believe we can legislate away.
They are willing to sacrifice the second amendment to prove it.
When a gun law, like this one, is signed into law it’s a win for 2A, and we need as many of those as possible!
Female Preppers
Look, guns are the great equalizer and I think a piece of the puzzle that’s left out is how important carrying firearms is for women in general but women preppers, too.
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Men and women are different. If we are only talking about bone density, structure, muscle, and strength.
When one woman can pull out a firearm and defend herself, that is a victory for society, the second amendment and even feminism!
However, when the norm becomes a majority of women proficient with and carrying firearms to protect themselves, that has an effect. That is the kind of culture that can affect victimization.
How is it Bad for Preppers?
Police Response
Though an armed society is a peaceful society, that doesn’t make an officer’s job any easier.
Police interactions are always strange but if police know that everyone might be armed it could be a bad thing not just for preppers but for the police themselves.
They will have to have serious confidence in the people they are policing in order to be effective while still protecting their lives and others.
There are big cities in Texas that suffer from all the same big city problems. That makes it hard on preppers.
Self Defense Situations
As preppers we are always concerned with things like situational awareness and self-defense. Just as police make mistakes and shoot people when they are under serious pressure, imagine yourself in a situation where an altercation begins between you and another person.
Imagine they reach down to pull up their pants while they are yelling at you, and you assume they have a gun because of this new law.
Are you trained enough to not panic and pull your own firearm?
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The Untrained
There is nothing standing between you and the untrained. There is nothing standing between you and an armed individual who has been driven towards some vengeful vigilance and might actually be threat even when they assume they are doing good.
A simple concept like KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHATS BEYOND IT is lost on a person who is untrained. They may not understand that FMJ ammo can go through a person and hit someone else. They may take a precarious shot at a bad guy and miss, hitting a person BEYOND THE TARGET.
While HB1927 is a victory for the 2nd Amendment there will be untrained people carrying firearms in Texas and that can be a danger to all of us, if we are honest.
Final Words
Look, this is a clear victory for the 2nd Amendment in America. It doesn’t mean that it is a flawless victory. However, when the right to keep and bear arms is being CONSTANTLY infringed, this makes a huge difference.
It’s a boon for preppers. Period. The benefits will be huge for the average prepper.
I think as prepper’s we should support and promote a well informed and well trained gun culture that appeals to all gun owners.
A well-armed and well trained society is an absolute nightmare for leaders with tyrannical aspirations.
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So constitutional carry has been applied in a few states. TX isn’t even the most Pro gun state and they recently got open carry passed.
Until i see the repeal of the 1934 NFA laws. and i am given my rights back to buy a machine gun at the local hardware store. Without any paperwork additional taxes ….. then we never will be free.
Commies like dan Crenshaw will keep signing in red flag law bills and then cry to his base that republicans need to compromise on the 2a so we can control it. I trust nobody in office to promote the 2A rights anymore and voting is pointless.
Usually I don’t agree with Raven’s statements, but in this case, I agree 100%. Shall not be infringed means just exactly that. If I want to own a 155mm howitzer “Shall not be infringed” mean as long as I can make satisfactory financial arrangements with the current owner, that is my right. If I want to arm my yacht with a 5 inch naval gun and the decking can support it, “Shall not be infringed” means “Go ahead, Chuck.”
After all, the Constitution still provides for letters of marque, so if I want to outfit my yacht so that I can sail against the pirates off the Horn of Africa and take prizes, I can do it.
If I want to have a small army of armed men surrounding me as so many of the ultra rich do, I can do it.
I sometimes wish I could go back in time and have the framers tweak the 2nd Amendment just a touch.. “The right of the people to keep and bear arms equal to or better than the federal government, or others that may wish to cause them harm, shall not be infringed by any treaty, federal, state or local government entity.”
I honestly believe that is actually what the framers had in mind anyway.
Prepper In Training, when 2A was written that was not necessary. People could own any arm the government had. Your wording should not be necessary today because 2A defends our right to own and carry without restriction yet Leftist have made the wording you suggest necessary.
Rights are not a gift from the government…
Prep: Yes! And, we took a note from the Swiss back then, and many counties had laws that every man over age 12 had to own a firearm. We need that back. niio
What you miss in the 2nd amendment is that in those times the military asked those who owned a gun to bring it with them. Since people needed guns to survive they had the best they could afford. They were usually rifled barrels which made more accuracy. Around 100 yards aiming.
When it came to military guns passed out to troops was the cheapest thing the military leaders could find. Which was smooth bored – not so accurate. Around 50 yards aiming.
In those times, asking for people to be equal to the military was a laughable matter.
Today the military found out accuracy is very necessary. That is why today the military has such highly accurate weapons available! Somewhere along the line the civilians were told they don’t deserve the best they can afford!
Depends the Kentucky rifle with the marksmen of the time could make a cold bore shot about 400 yards at a bushel bucket.
the avg soldier in the line up typically never fired (read the book On killing and on combat by LTC grossman) Those who did shoot to kill could be accurate with smooth bore to about 200 ish or more..
We the People ARE THE GOVERNMENT…by word and design. There is a shadow government that we did not elect actually running DC that thinks they own us.
All we have to do is stop cooperating with them and take back what is ours.
A shame LCC that people even here prove us right. they are down voting everything you and i mentioned. I guess they are the blind FUDDS who think only the 1911 and some stupid trap gun is all we should be owning these days. Your prurty lady should be happy getting that 32 acp handgun so she don’t blow herself away.
Pistol Ar15 really have a edge in the prepper community. not only do they make a easier Home defense rifle. They also work well for having a rifle for doing chores and getting things done on the homestead.
I hear ya! I only vote with my Trigger Finger now!
The single problem with your comment is this also allows any hardend criminal the same opportunity.
Buford: to lib nazis, we’re all hardened criminals. If some thug wants a gun, he always know where to look. Make it legal, and then he has to obey the law, at least to a point. niio
Everyone is supposed to have the same access to firearms…. the Shall not infringe part is rather clear.
Buford: So the goobermint punishes law abiding citizens because some criminals break the law. That makes a lot of sense. What make more sense to me is to put folks away for a long time doing hard. meaningless labor, like making little rocks out of big rocks. Moonbeam McBrown ran on the platform for his first two terms as goobinator of the PDRK that he would sign a law “Use a Gun, Go to Jail.” The legislature actually passed and Goobinator McBrown signed into law a mandatory 5 year bottom for a felon in possession of a weapon, not just a gun, but any weapon. Or the use of a weapon in the commission of a crime or at the time of arrest. A five year bottom means that it is a must serve five year term before being considered for parole. So you serve your five year minimum and then you get in line for the parole process. In his very last term in office Goobinator McBrown signed into law an amendment to that five year bottom. Now it is discretionary with the DA whether he charges the crime and discretionary with the judge whether he imposes the five year bottom or not.
Folks complain about the cost of maintaining criminals in prison. It doesn’t have to cost money. The Mississippi State Prison at Angola runs at a profit and turns cash money in to the state every year.
Furthermore, as I have expounded upon before, no one ever talks about the cost to the victim of a crime. I don’t care what homeowners insurance you carry, if you are burglarized, the chances are good that you are not going to receive from the insurance company the actual value of the items stolen or destroyed. Assuming you have kept the receipts for all the stuff in your home, you are going to have an uphill battle with the adjuster to get anything close to the value of your former property. Unless you have a replacement value policy, which, by the way is significantly more expensive than current value policy, what you get for your one year old gaming computer set up is what you see them listed for in The Shopper or Craig’s List.
That doesn’t even touch upon the residual effects of a crime against the person. What is the cost to the victim, the family and society when a young black male just graduating with honors from college is gunned down on the street while walking home from the grocery store?
What is the cost to a young woman badly beaten and seriously injured during the course of a rape? How much money would you be willing to pay to keep one of your children from being kidnapped by a sexual predator, horribly tortured before being strangled? That happened right here in this county. A 3 year old girl was kidnapped by a recently released sex offender from her grandmother’s fenced in front yard. She was mutilated and tortured and raped before being strangled to death. What agony do you think she suffered during her ordeal? What agony do you think the grandmother suffered for as long as she lived? The jury sentenced him to the death penalty, but Rose Bird and the CA Supremes abrogated all death penalty sentences because they felt the voters of the state were confused. That’s why Sirhan Sirhan may get paroled. That’s why members of the Manson group still come up for parole every couple of years. It was the first time in PDRK history that several supremes got through off the court the next time they came up for election. Good riddance to bad rubbish as my grandmother used to say.
No. Our rights should not be abrogated because some criminals break the law. The answer is long term confinement. I voted for the three strikes law because I was tired of seeing the same faces show up on criminal calendar time after time and still get continued on probation with perhaps a month or two in county jail. Your statement is like saying because people drive drunk or speed at dangerous speeds, no one should be allowed to have a private automobile. Everyone should be required to take public transportation where the vehicle is driven by professional drivers who never break the law and always drive safely.
I saw too many really dangerous individuals parade through the court system to get out to wreak havoc on innocents after all too short a stay in prison. Too many to list here. I would suggest all who think I am exaggerating go to the nearest big city and sit in criminal court for a couple of days.
Well, folks, time to pick up my soap box and get busy with housework once again.
Harden criminals should be dealt with severely, not coddle like they are!
It is odd – these criminals that you say could also get them – get them today anyway!
The only ones restricted is the honest man!
What is a hardened criminal by your definition????? I have a friend who got hit with two felonies for a 27-day overlap in marriages!!!!! One was for bigamy (the overlap) and the other for perjury (lying on a marriage license)!!!!! So he cannot buy a firearm to protect his family!!!!! By the way, the Judge lived five miles from his ex-father-in-law, the Prosecuting Attorney was his ex-father-in-law’s PERSONAL attorney and the court-appointed was the chairperson for the committee to re-elect the Prosecuting Attorney!!!!!! Since my friend was NOT from this small town in Virginia you get the idea!!!!! He h7as NEVER committed ANY dangerous act!!!! So you are telling me that he is a HARDENED criminal????? You are a LUNATIC!!!!!!
NO … the comment was that …. In short, the bill states that anyone who 21 years or older, and can legally possess a firearm, is allowed to carry said firearm without a permit. So, it’s basically permit less carry for all legal gun owners.
Key words being LEGAL GUN OWNERS. Like most states, if you have been convicted of a felony, you lose the right to own a gun, hence you are no longer legally able to own a gun.
Arizona has been an open carry state, since I think February 14 1912, when it became a state, and we have been a concealed carry state, (permit less) for quite some time. So if you can legally own a firearm, then you can open, or conceal carry without any type of permit required. Just recently our governor, got off his ass, and declared us a 2nd Amendment state as well, meaning federal law enforcement has no legal right to abscond with our legal firearms.
Actually this comment is in reply to Thomas Spencer. I can’t comment on the laws in the state where your friend was convicted of the felonies you state. However many states have laws allowing for a declaration of rehabilitation. That is where the citizen who has been convicted of certain classes of crime can apply to a judge to be declared “rehabilitated.” This allows the citizen to claim the rights of a citizen including possession of a firearm, although, again, state laws differ.
I would suggest that your friend consult an attorney, or if he can’t afford an attorney, consult legal aid about seeking a declaration of rehabilitation. If he is still living in the same county, where he was convicted, well, he might get the attorney’s advice about the political climate in that county. It may behove him to establish residence in a different county. That is a decision only he can make.
Of course, if your friend has had continued adverse contacts with the court system, any hope of a declaration of rehabilitation is out of the question. Again, that is something only your friend knows.
Without commenting on your friend’s history, I would state that many convicted of crimes like to minimize or explain away how they were victims of “the system.” They hoodwink acquaintances with tales of how they were railroaded. They offer up the SODDI defense. That is the “Some Other Dude Did It” defense wherein they were framed by law enforcement bent on solving a crime and didn’t have anyone else to blame and picked the “victim” to clear the crime from their to-do list.
I would urge you to tell your friend about a certificate of rehabilitation or whatever his state calls it and seek legal advice about how to go about getting “rehabilitated”.
I would think that would be a better course of action than to label someone a lunatic who wants to put away convicted child molesters with a history of violence against their victims for the rest of their life. As for the three strikes law, if you have been convicted of three felonies involving violence, don’t you think it is time to reconsider your life and perhaps change your ways?
The example you cite is an administrative crime. Unless he also has misdemeanor violent crimes too, it should not be a problem getting a certificate of rehabilitation if it is in the state statutes.
“Shall not be infringed” means no compromise!
a shame the people here don’t believe that
Yes, Raven, I am shocked and disturbed that this list has so many folks disagreeing with the positive comments made about the Second Amendment.
Walton in his article trots out many the disproven shibboleths of the anti-gun crowd. In every state that has passed freedom of gun ownership the actions that he wrings his hands over have not happened. He sounds to me like one of the anti-gun group. He rightly deserves Raven’s usual opprobrious term of “FUDD”.
First of all, if you are going to go armed, you need to exercise the self-control that Robert Heinlein talked about when he stated,”An armed society is a polite society.” Instead of insisting on the parking spot that you had your eye and and getting into fist fight with the older gentleman who also had his eye on it, you pass and look for another spot. You don’t exit your vehicle. Why not? Because he might be armed too and it is not worth losing your life over a damned parking spot. That is what Heinlein meant. And that has by and large proved to be the case with the right-to-carry states.
Are there exceptions? Of course, but now you also have the means to defend yourself against the bully who insists on attempting to physically carry out threats. Who lacks the self control to smile and wave you into the spot. It means that men no longer make demeaning comments to women about various parts of their anatomy. In bygone eras when most were armed, only blackguards did such and they risked the ire of armed gentlemen.
“However, when the norm becomes a majority of women proficient with and carrying firearms to protect themselves, that has an effect. That is the kind of culture that can affect victimization.”
I don’t know what Walton means by that statement. Perhaps in a polite society brash young men will tip their hats to women and wish them a good day and not make rude comments which could lead to a cheap coffin at the ruffian’s expense. Walton sounds to me as if he is sorry that such a state might come to pass. Does he engage in staring rudely at passing women? Or making rude comments about certain aspects of their physical appearance?
As for carrying short barreled rifles in your backpack, not without permission from BigBrother in the District of Corruption. Without a follow along statement by the Texas legislature that law enforcement in Texas is enjoined from enforcing laws in violation of the Constitution of the United States and also encouraged to discourage federal agents from doing so on Texas soil, outmoded and outlandish federal laws can still be enforced by a variety of federal agents who don’t mind violating the Constitution in order to accept the sometimes excessive rewards the federal goobermint bestows on their henchmen. Nobody who was involved in Waco nor in the murder in Idaho received in the mildest reprimand. They should have been charged with cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder.
If Walton’s comments truly reflect the thinking of a majority of the follower’s of this list, then, indeed, Raven, we are in trouble when even peppers fear unconditional enforcement of the Second Amendment. If that is the case, then we strict constitutionalists are in serious trouble.
Of course, concomitant with that is severely punishing violators of the peace. It is against most states and federal law for a convicted felon to be in possession of a firearm, firearm parts and firearm ammunition. Yet in the PDRK, I know from first hand experience that law is rarely enforced. If people are truly interested in cutting down on gratuitous violence, convicted felons who are apprehended with firearms would be prosecuted and the maximum sentence imposed. I understand from various sources one of the main problems in Chicago, a city with absolutely astronomical numbers of shootings, the last humber I read was well in excess of 3,000 so far this year, felons apprehended with firearms are routinely turned loose by prosecuting attorneys and judges. They are not confined prior to conviction but are release without bail. So big deal if you have a rap sheet 50 pages long. The worst that can happen to you if a cop catches you with a firearm is that he takes it away from you and keeps it for himself.
Yes, cops need more training in how to handle legally armed citizens. Some jurisdictions seem to have handled that just fine and there is no aggressive interface between peace officers and armed citizens. Perhaps that is the mode the officers need to adopt, peace officer, rather than law enforcement officer. Perhaps instead of peace officers being armed to the teeth with a military occupation force outlook, they should instead be focused on a more non-confrontational approach.
That said, citizenry also needs to adopt a more non-confrontational approach when interfacing with peace officers. Calling a cop every name in the book because he stopped you for going through a red light is not going to get you out of a ticket. If anything, it will 100% guarantee that you will get a citation. Refusing to sign the citation is not going to relieve you from having to appear in court to answer to the citation. It is going to result in you making two court appearances. One to determine bail because if you don’t sign the citation, the officer will arrest and book you and you will have to post bail to insure that you will appear when commanded to do so. Then, two, when you appear for the reason you were stopped. I have been driving for almost 70 years on the streets and highways of the U.S. I have been stopped more times than I am proud of. In all those interactions, I only ran into one officer who was rude. I didn’t respond to his attempt to provoke me. I also won my case regarding the ticket he issued. I got my revenge in court. To rub it in, I offered to buy him a cup of coffee after the judge dismissed the charges. I knew he was wrong when he told me what he stopped me for. So rather than try to out-rude him, I kept my tongue — a very difficult task for me as most of you can well imagine and won in the arena where it counted, court.
I certainly hope that we see more expressions of belief in the Second Amendment in reply to this article and not the wishy-washy hand wringing that Mr. Walton engaged in.
“getting into fist fight with the older gentleman who also had his eye on it, you pass and look for another spot. You don’t exit your vehicle. Why not? Because he might be armed too”
Three reasons you should never fight with an old man;
1. If you win you’ve beat up an old guy.
2. If you loose you got beat up by an old guy.
3. He’d probably just as soon shoot you anyway as fight.
Good points MP. Watch out for old guys.
I have a T shirt that says ” to old to fight, to slow to run so I will just shoot you and be done with it” BTW I’m 84.
A lot of truth in that comment as I approach 60 in a couple of years! LOL!
I enjoy reading your comments, and approve of your literary reference. Heinlein has long been my favorite fictional author. I don’t always agree with him, but he has made me think.
MP’s comment about why not to engage an old guy in a confrontation mirrors Sammy “The Bull” Gravano’s comments in a recent interview with Tim Larkin on how he avoided fights while in prison by pointing out that anyone who fought him loses no matter the outcome of the fight.
There is another T-shirt that says, “Be careful around old folks. Life in prison isn’t that scary” or something very similar. That’s what I tell salesmen these days when they talk about “lifetime guarantee.”
“I’m 84 years old. Long term planning for me is next Wednesday. Now tell me something about your product that is meaningful.”
It’s a simple fact of American History that, until 1925, the 10 Amendments of the Bill Of Rights applied to the Federal Government but had no power over the State Governments. As Territories entered the Union as States they could put just about anything in their Constitution, restrictions on speech, religion, firearms, personal liberty of all sorts.Without exception they included the protections of the Bill Of Rights in their own constitutions, but were always free to change state law w/o consideration of the Bill of Rights. The Civil War, of course, began to erode State’s Rights but it was not until 1925 that The Court decided that the 14th Amendment meant the 1st Amendment also applied to State and local governments. Bit by bit the Bill Of Rights became recognized as Sovereign over state Government, but not until 2010 was this status recognized for the 2nd Amendment. Not sure what that means for future argument.
Clyde Barrow and other big time outlaws of the 20s and 30s scared the Feds into tough restrictions on private ownership of full auto weapons.The joke was the same as ever, Clyde, Machine Gun Kelly, etc… didn’t buy their BARs legally, they stole them from Federal Armories. That’s so funny I have to say it twice, they stole their machine guns from the damned Federal Government!
How abut some figures from the Federal Bureau of Incompetence?
According to data gathered by them, here is a breakdown of where the criminals obtained their firearm: This is of criminals who used a firearm in the commission of their crimes.
• 43.2% off the street or from the black market
• 25.3% from an individual
• 10.1% at retail
• 8.2% at retail from an FFL
• 1.9 at retail from a private seller or unknown. (“0.8% obtained it at a gun show”.)
• 6.4% from burglary
• 15.0% other
Some of the categories leave me scratching my head. 10.1% at retail, 8.2% at retail from an FFL. I doubt that one can purchase a gun at the Dollar Store. To the best of my knowledge, a pawnshop, where the hero of action novels and other entertainment always buys his gun when he has lost his original firearm, is required to be a federally licensed gun dealer and follow all the rules and regulations required of all licensed gun dealers, so how there is ten percent “at retail” and 8 percent from licensed gun dealers leaves me baffled. I am sure there are some stores that surreptitiously sell firearms, but I wouldn’t think it would be such a high number that 10% of feloniously used firearms are purchased at such establishments. It is a very serious felony to be in the business of selling guns without a federal license. Being in the business of selling guns is loosely interpreted by the ATF as some gun collectors have found out to their everlasting chagrin. I have heard that as few as three gun sales in a single year has been interpreted by the ATF as being in the business of selling firearms. I haven’t been able to confirm that, but considering how they have conducted themselves in other incidents, it would not surprise me one bit if that were the case in more than one instance.
The other category that puzzles me is “from an individual.” How is that contrasted to “off the street”?
I wonder who made up these lame categories. “Off the street” has a tendency to remind me of the way watches were sold at bus terminals many decades ago where some sleazy guy with an overcoat on opens it up and he has a bunch of watches pinned to the insides of his overcoat. So “Off the street” brings that picture to my mind. Some sleazy looking guy standing at Fifth and Broadway, says, “Pisst, Buddy, have I got a deal for you. Look at this brand new Kimber in .45 acp.” and opens up his overcoat to display handguns somehow fastened to both sides of his overcoat.
Perhaps I live in the wrong town, but I have never been approached by somebody on the street offering to sell me a gun at a good price or any price for that matter. Maybe I am naive, but I really think there is more to it than what is portrayed by that category. HOWEVER, it is, of course, the Federal Bureau of Incompetence, so who knows what was rattling around in their otherwise empty heads?
I’ve been approached by the ‘off the street’ seller twice, both times in the parking lots of beer stores in the ghetto. The 1st time it happened a young black man leaned in the window of my pickup and pulled a .45ACP halfway out of a paper bag, scairt me, I bet he couldn’t believe how pale white I turned until I realized he was selling it.
From actions taken by Ole Honest Abe during the War of Northern Aggression against folks speaking out against the war itself and especially the draft, and actions taken by Woody Wilson during WWI against folks who spoke out about becoming entangled in foreign alignments, treaties and wars as Granddad George warned us about, one could easily gather that the First Amendment didn’t apply to the Federales either. Who was the perennial candidate for president who actually got imprisoned for speaking against the U.S. getting involved in WWI. I will think of his name about 0300 tomorrow morning. I want to say Wendell Wilkie but I am not sure Mr. Wilkie spent time in a federale slammer.
Now that I think of it, one of the Adamses was responsible for the Sedition Act of 1782(?) which the Federal Bureau of Incompetence used to entrap General Flynn. Any time you get a call from an FBI agent wanting to have a little chat with you at their offices, your response should be, “Okay, let me get in touch with my lawyer and have him contact you about setting up an appointment for a meeting with him and me. What’s your direct line number?” Brain-dead Flynn thought he could fake his way through interrogation by skilled federale interrogators.
I think some folks are like my wife.They just go on and on and on non stop.
Good set up for an impolitic response but I’m just now pouring my 1st drink of the day and feeling way too civil. Like me, LCC is a full time care giver. It’s fulfilling but can be frustrating as it limits your interactions with others. I feel I spend too much time commenting here but sometimes you just need to let some of the thoughts you spin up during the day out into the world. Who cares about the Sedition Act and General Flynn? I do, for one, the long history of the Sedition Act and the short troubling history of General Flynn are more important to our times than you might expect.
Thank you, JH. You took the words right out of my mouth except for the first drink of the day. It’s not noon yet here in the PDRK. The sun isn’t quite over the yardarm. I too feel I spend more time on this site than I should. That said, I think there are too many little bon mots on this site that add nothing to the prepper content that it is supposed to contain. However, in the interest of the First Amendment and in furtherance of its lofty aspirations, Claude allows free rein on this site. For the most part, it is free of the nasty personal attacks that seem to clutter up other sites. We have a mostly civil group here with only a couple of trolls who, to the best off my knowledge, have never contributed anything beyond snide personal attacks.
Best of the weekend to you. I totally agree with you about Flynn. I think he got bad advice from his attorney but then I wasn’t privy to the attorney’s discussions with Flynn. I think what happened to him is a prime example of how coercive the power of the government can be in the age in which we live. A confession can be extracted without a single shout, blow, sleep deprivation, water boarding or any of the other physical forms of confession inducing conduct.
Right on point LCC. Trolls I ignore although they can be quite amusing at times. Cheap entertainment I suppose.
Here in Tucson you can walk the streets of downtown with a sidearm in your holster still. A la John Wayne in the good old days. Don’t forget your cowboy hat though.
Mikek: Thanks for the kind comments. Yes, I was a little surprised the first time I visited my folks in Sun City to see gentlemen my father’s age walking into the supermarket with a revolver strapped to their waist. In the PDRK it used to be legal to open carry a loaded firearm until the Black Panthers demonstrated against police open warfare against blacks in the city of Oakland. The Panthers marched around the capitol building in Schitzomento with rifles and shotguns while the legislators peed in their pants inside. I have never seen legislation move through the process so fast as the emergency legislation that blitzkrieged through the various steps and was signed immediately upon landing on the goobinator’s desk outlawing carrying a loaded firearm in the PDRK. That was back in the days when hippies were as commonplace in the PDRK as fleas on a stray dog, so it was groovy to outlaw loaded firearms in public places. We were all going to sit around campfires getting loaded on Mendocino Gold and singing cool music before bedding down for some free love in our VW microbuses so no need for firearms. Peace and love amongst all. Well, that didn’t last long. I think it ended with the huge love-in just outside Livermore. The one where the Hells Angels were hired as security and forgot that it was a love-in with warm happy feelings and love between all. They beat at least one hippie to death in their typical fashion.
Forgive my ignorance, please? What the “H” is PDRK?
Utter horse crap. Competence verification and a license are required to drive a car. Yet we see morons behind the wheel endangering, injuring and killing themselves and others every damn day. The idea that just anyone with the cash and the whim can safely manage the astronomical responsibility of the ability to take a life at the twitch of a finger is heinously absurd.
As a lifelong gun owner and collector, I know very well the risks and responsibilities associated with that. I also know many people I wouldn’t trust to safely operate a slingshot. This law is a clear prescription for chaos and destruction that only serves the profit motives of the firearms industry and those who sow conflict and division for personal gain.
And FYI, open carry is utter tactical suicide. If a bad guy with a gun is looking to do real harm, that weapon on your hip makes you the first to catch a bullet in the back. Then he’s got two guns.
History clearly shows, an armed society is only a polite society until it isn’t. It is an inherently paranoid culture living on a hair trigger.
Look everyone its a sellout to freedom…
I can smell the NRA bumper sticker and Range control Officer feeling from you. Everyone has a right to a firearm. Everyone has a right to any type of firearms or weapon. It doesn’t matter what you feel or think.
Open carry if you can prove the Data, Which you won’t ever do but provide me with the Data how its suicidal. Its pretty narrow minded to think that someone is going to shoot the open carry guy and have this planned out mass shooting or anything else of that nature. Its not a Bollywood movie dude and no data has shown that open carry is more or less dangerous. I will say open carry can deter people from committing crimes.
I am sure Brandon enjoyed your vote in 2020 so have a great day FUDD.
Why is it we always get the ” I am a lifetime NRA member. I am a hunter. I am a gun owner” when we have someone trying to justify violation of a right enumerated in the Bill of Rights?
My son has a friend who spouts the same line. Know the last time he hunted? It was before lead shot was banned for hunting ducks. How long has that been? He’s a hunter? Yeah, and I am an astronaut.
Please tell me which Article of the Bill of Rights or which paragraph of the Constitution says that the Right of the People to drive automobiles on public highways shall not be infringed? As for testing and licensing, what a joke. And regarding suspending or revoking licenses, a few years ago this county ran a sting operation. They had deputy sheriffs in plain clothes in traffic court. The plain clothes deputies followed defendants who had their license revoked or suspended out of the courtroom and had uniformed deputies arrest those who got in their cars to drive away from the courthouse. They nabbed so many people they had to quit the test run because they ran out of deputies to escort the unlicensed drivers to the booking area. So, it is the same thing. Criminals are going to be criminals no matter what the law is. Requiring licensing for owning a firearm when it is guaranteed by the Second Amendment is violating our basic law. Just because the goobermint does it doesn’t make it right or proper.
The right to travel exists and if you follow the sovereign citizen movement… you don’t need to register a car or get a ID. We the people gave up fighting something that should of been a simple get bent… and we shall do what we need to do without government involvement.
i am sure big horse dong or whatever his given fudd slave name is ….. will aruge his collection things he never shoots … He doesn’t even believe in self defense… .i am sure he sits around in his large house with a cop on speed dial..
Overall, all good comments as to concealed carry.
Good to see what Texas did. Note that what Texas did, per the ‘Pari materia’ ‘RULE’ (Black’s Law Dict., 6th Ed, pg 1115), “of the same matter, on the same subject; as, laws ‘pari materia’ must be construed with reference to each other.” Therein, in regard to the Texas gun law, in regard to ‘each and all OTHER states …the Texas gun law operates in all other states as well! And as applied to the ‘Red Gun Laws,’ they are unconstitutional as the 2A is ‘supreme law’ via the contract (US Constitution) that every so-called public servant takes an ‘oath of office’ to …”shall uphold, protect and defend!!!’ …anything to the contrary is a crime and treason. Regardless of the ‘age,’ etc., of someone who has had the Red Gun Law imposed upon them via police, etc., just because they had a gun(s) in their home (is not a crime) but is a violation of the ‘public servants/police officers’ ‘oath of office’ …as the ‘sovereign’ man sitting in his home has 4th Amendment right …”to be SECURE in his persons, houses, papers and effects (one’s guns!). Their so-called ‘constitutional right(s) …2A… had/have been violated. And ‘probable cause’ …where was the initial ‘crime?’ Not! It was all fraud!
What happens when we ignore the Constitution. The right to bare arms happens only when you are part of a well regulated militia. How much more of the Constitution shall we ignore?
We The People have already started forming Well Regulated Militia Units in our area. Remember, it’s not the government that regulates the Militia, it’s WE THE PEOPLE!
You need to look up the meanings of “well-regulated” and “militia” as understood in the 18th century when the Bill of Rights was written.
“Well-regulated” meant properly trained and equipped, usually with their own, personally-owned, weapons and accoutrements. “Militia” referred to all able-bodied men between certain ages, 16-45, if memory serves me correctly.
And by the way, bare arms are a bad idea in the summer due to sunburn and a bad idea in the winter due to frostbite. Spring and fall, though, they are okay until the sun goes down, except for the biting mosquitoes. Ouch!
Sabel: the newly founded US took an idea from the Swiss. Every man had to own and know how to use a firearm. Too many Americans found it boring or too expensive to turn out once a month to train. The Swiss start very early in a child’s life. Today, I think it would go well, but start in grade school. niio
Sorry, Albert, but the United States Supreme Court disagrees with you. That decision was ten years ago. Time to catch up with the law as it is, not as you think it is. And by the way, it is to bear, meaning to carry, not bare meaning without clothing or covering. And don’t recite that old hackneyed phrase, “What are you a school teacher?”
Correct word usage has significant meaning and using incorrect wordage can change the whole thought content. We had an excellent example of that where someone used and incorrect word in the article and several comment writers adopted the wrong meaning of the sentence.
Albert, I do not agree. Every village was to have all men arm3d and training just as the Swiss do. No one argued against every adult owning a firearm–no matter if they wre part of the local bunch or not–till hundreds of nazi ‘refugees’ were invited in post-WWII. Dems taught Hitler well the need to control weapons and he loved them.
niio
Kind of a useless law considering that the 2nd Amendment already gives ALL Real Americans the RIGHT to carry a firearm anywhere they see fit, and the government can’t say otherwise without admitting that they are Traitors who have given an abundance of Justifiable Cause for We Real Americans to Legally exercise Our 2nd Amendment Rights upon them!
It’s just that simple Folks, and that’s the way Our Founders meant it to be!
Oh, Bovine Fecal Matter! No one alive today knows what the Founding Fathers truly meant regarding the Second Amendment. Most likely it was a very vaguely written line to get the various States and their representatives to agree to a compromise so that the most important point, i.e., ratifying the Articles of the Constitution, could move forward. In other words, the Founding Fathers “kicked the can down the road,” hoping for better later. It is similar to the compromise made of counting the slaves as part of a State’s total population despite their not having any voice, so the non-slave states compromised by counting them as only 3/5s of a person.
It would really be interesting to know what your definition of a Real American is!
It is hard to imagine that someone has the audacity to say that no one knows what the Founding Fathers meant by the Second Amendment. Their writings are replete with stating exactly what they meant. I am afraid you have taken you knowledge of the intent of the Founding Fathers from the pablum that student are fed in public schools since the turn of the 20th century. Please don’t make such comments when you know not of what you speak. Do some reading by and of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and signatories to the Constitution and Amendments thereto. Start with Thomas Paine. Read Thomas Jefferson. Read John Adams. The list goes on and on. They stated their case for the retention of arms to insure that dictatorship would not rear its ugly head. They didn’t talk about duck hunting or deer hunting, they talked about resisting tyranny. That was the foremost thought in all of their writings touching on the Second Amendment.
Old: Nope. The Founding Fathers were very up on gun ownership for all free people. Read what they said. They put their name to a lot of discussions writing to constituents and each other on the subject.
If I may. 2A gives us nothing and people need to understand that. Our Rights Are Not A Gift From The Government. The right to own and carry arms exists PERIOD. The purpose of 2A is to require the government defend that right . Anything done to prevent exercising that right is simply a violation of the Constitution.
JPup: And the jackass nazis use the Constitution like toilet paper, calling it a living document, tho no place in the writings of the founding Fathers is that true. niio
TAL: thought you might like this.
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/6981/how-can-felons-be-denied-constitutional-rights
BTW – The new Texas law is “Permitless Carry,” not “Constitutional Carry.” The distinction is the fact that it allows one to carry sans a permission slip but with certain restrictions such as requiring the firearm be in a holster, by persons over the age of 21 with certain very limited exceptions, it may not be carried into certain places such as (but not limited to) courtrooms, jails & prisons, hospitals, secure areas of airports, anyplace prohibited by Federal law such as US Post Offices and adjoining property.
The Texas LTC (License To Carry) is still available and in effect and actually gives you additional protections over and above the Permitless Carry law as well as being valid for states with reciprocity agreements with Texas.
Texas new carry law does NOT allow you to carry concealed. That AR pistol in your backpack is illegal under the Open Carry Law. It allows you to carry openly, in plain sight. If you hold a LTC permit, THEN you may carry concealed legally in Texas.
If nobody knows about it then its perfectly legal… What i teach my students is that any place that doesn’t have a metal detector is a pro gun zone. So carry and shut up about it.
Wrong! The previous Texas law was the open carry law. The new one that went into effect on 1 Sept 2021, allows any person who is not otherwise prohibited from possessing and carrying a firearm, to carry one, with certain restrictions. Hence, it is Permitless Carry. However, having an LTC grants one additional protections.
Oops. Sorry! That was supposed to be a reply to Paul Maxx’s post.
Just great, more gun nuts shooting people for no reason.
Gun nuts shooting people ?
Last i checked most gun nuts aren’t really out blasting people but i am sure you can enjoy your socialist country and ask yourself why belong to a prepping site if you don’t value self defense.
Lisa just lurks on here so she can troll. As I stated, I have never read a comment from Lisa that set forth any valuable information to the prepper community. Or, set forth any information, valuable or not, just troll comments.
Ah, another cogent, thoughtful post from Lisa who has never contributed a single comment relating to prepping that I can recall in the long time I have followed this list.
Geez Lisa that was a fairly uneducated thing to say.
Lisa: As they say in Mexico, fewer burros in the stable, more corn for the rest. Nutty people are pretty much always liberals, Nazis.
The Constitutional carry law is long overdue in Texas as I am concerned, even though it changes nothing for me I still work in gun free zones and have to keep up my LTC for travel across state lines.
carry anyways unless they have a metal detector who would know.
i am happy for you the people of texas to be able to defend yourself i live under the trudeau jackboot and cannot carry a baseball bat off the ball field to defend myself and if ever used it to defend myself i would go to jail for sure on assault charges. never give up your no matter what.
I was wrong about Wendell Wilkie being thrown in jail for speaking out about our involvement in WWI. He was the 1940 presidential candidate. I just briefly scanned his bio. He died in 1944, so he wouldn’t have made it through WWII.
The politician who was jailed in 1918 for speaking out about our involvement in WWI was Eugene V. Debs. Mr. Debs was an avowed socialist. He also ran for president but didn’t get the votes he thought he would.
“When America’s Most Prominent Socialist Was Jailed for Speaking Out Against World War I
After winning 6 percent of the vote in the 1912 presidential election, Eugene Debs ran afoul of the nation’s new anti-sedition laws”
He not only ran afoul of the law, he served time in the Big House until pardoned by the next president to hold office after Woody Wilson. By the way, if one does a bit of reading about Woody, he was not the great president our school textbooks made him out to be. He was a tyrant in his own way. We would have been much better off if he never was president. Not to mention that his wife ran the country after he had his stroke which led to the present statutes we have on succession and when the prez is incapacitated. Do we heed to have somebody in the District of Corruption have those particular laws read to them?
For all the folks quoting the recent addition to the Texas codes, I would suggest before you continue to dish out wrong information, please consult the following: https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/carry-of-firearms,
This is the website of the State Law Library. The official arm of the Texas legislature. If anybody should know what the law say, it is the state law library. Before you go spouting off, even if you are a lawyer, I would suggest you read what the State Law Library has to say about the statute. If you are a Texas lawyer and you haven’t read what the SLL has to say about the statute, shame on you. You should know better. The law library will quote the exact language of the statute, not what they think it says.
Before the internet, when I wanted to research what a law said, I went to the local law library, talked nicely to the librarian, asked about her family, how her son was doing in Little League and her daughter in ballet class and then solicited her assistance in locating the statute I had in mind and the case law regarding it and asked her assistance in guiding my research. Now, I can do the research on line and I don’t even know who the law librarian is these days. It’s a shame, another great contact lost. They always acted happy to help me in my research and didn’t duck out to the break room when I showed up but always hung around to chat and render invaluable assistance. Unlike some attorneys who always had difficulty finding a librarian to help with their research.
Please don’t quote the law unless you are reading from the statute itself. Remember that old Mark Twain saying, “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and prove it.”
Good advice Chuck that is why I like reading your posts on this site.
I’ve been reading the comments on the new Texas open carry law and the 2nd amendment and thinking that in a SHTF event all the gun laws won’t amount to a hill of beans anyway. Please don’t misunderstand me, I’m all for what Texas has done.
I’ve had an Oklahoma Handgun License for almost as long as they have been available. Most days when I put on my boots and blue jeans in the morning my knife is on my belt on my left side and my pistol is on my belt on my right side. I haven’t always done that. Recent events have made me more aware and more cautious. My grandsons who are all adults have ask me when they’ve seen my pistol, do you plan on shooting someone? My answer is always no, I don’t plan to or want to shoot anyone and the very last thing I ever want to do is kill anyone, but I am not going to let anyone hurt or kill me or anyone in my family. I can’t, I won’t turn the other cheek. I wasn’t raised that way. I’ll have to ask for forgiveness if I’m ever put in that situation.
I concur with most comments…and that OUR FREEDOMS have been earned for 250 years by American warriors who paid the ultimate price to keep those freedoms.
However, if you talk about 1776 and what they meant with the 2A, the weapons they had then were very primitive compared to what we have today. We can’t assume we know what they would think today with the firepower that is available to us.
Similar to the concert in Vegas…I would not want to go to the Texas State Fair and have some deranged fool sneak in his legally owned 50cal machine-gun in the back of a food truck and then slaughter dozens before someone takes him out. We still need to be careful while we enjoy more freedom.
Another option, if any American wants more freedom regarding the 2A, just take a GunSmith course, get some good basic training on firearms repair, get your Federal License, and open a part-time business. With licensing, almost everything is on the table at that point (not active-duty military hardware).
Lastly, we really should vote out the corrupt politicians (Dems & RINOs) who we know have been bought by the CCP Mafia.
The Silent Majority still has the significant power of “one voice”.
Our country has many major issues, We need strong leadership.
Every election matters, and if we do not take the actions required,
the USA may become the next Great Civilization to Rise and Fall.
Our children and grandchildren are depending on us.
Wrong on all accounts. If you want safety over freedom then stay in your home. Me I’ll have dangerous freedom and not worry who has what
I joined the NRA (for life) back in about 1973, when I was a wee pup of 18 years. I have just always believed that owning and shooting a firearm is an inherent right, period. That said, I tired quickly of the increasingly restrictive gun laws that our legislators have kindly bestowed on us all those years since. The result? I don’t give a houwee what a law says. if I need to carry to protect myself, I will do just that. And, I DO! I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 !
Yes…..I do have a CC license.
Well…… I think I goofed there. I’m 67 years old. I DID join the NRA when I was a wee pup of 18 or so, but it must not have been ’73………
I’m a good shot with a handgun……… a terrible shot with a shotgun……..and even WORSE at math! 😮
WOW-long thread! Back to the begining, if your treget is just “pulling his pants up”, he has already signaled his status. I don’t give a shit about concealed carry- if your firearm is concealed, nobody knows. STFU about trying to convince others about your 2A opinions, it just makes you a target for bad guys and the “gooberment”!
Good article, and here’s something of interest.
https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/6981/how-can-felons-be-denied-constitutional-rights
It’s against the Constitution to deny someone, even a felon, their rights as long as they’re off parol.
(Reply for left coast chuck — Sorry, but the site would not allow me to respond directly to your comment, at least not on my computer)
Yes, I have “the audacity to say that no one knows what the Founding Fathers (truly) meant by the Second Amendment” as you say. Apparently, you have the temerity to claim that you, yourself, do.
The people you mention did write and comment extensively about the fear of a rise of some nebulous tyranny or tyrannical state. After the Constitution was ratified, this evolved into the heated debate between the Federalists and the anti-Federalists. James Madison, a Virginian and generally a Federalist, recognized that Virginia was too important to the new Union to ignore its many calls from the people (AKA Landowners and other anti-Federaist) for a written Bill of Rights. He compromised his stance and agreed to the procedure,
He ws the principal in the writing of the 2nd Amendement but there was so much debate over the wording and full meaning that, as I said earlier, a vague compromise was reached, and the “can was kicked down the road” for others to interpret or misinterpret.
By the way, what is this BS about “duck hunting or deer hunting?” I never mentioned anything like that. Please don’t try to put words in my posts just to prop up your post!