When considering recipes that could be good for preppers, taking a close look at the Amish world makes sense. They have long been known for living off the grid and have done quite well.
Also, the Amish are known to make wonderful foods, as often found in restaurants, stores, and roadside stands. Yum!
So, I wanted to share a few recipes from the Amish that could be considered long-lasting, if stored properly.
Amish Peanut Butter
Who doesn’t like peanut butter? Sometimes this version of peanut butter is known as “Church Spread”, but it’s a popular treat no matter what you choose to call it.
- 2 cups brown sugar
- 1 cup water
- 2 cups + 2 heaping tablespoons peanut butter
- 7 oz marshmallow cream
- 2 tablespoons light corn syrup
- 1 teaspoon vanilla (or maple) flavoring
Combine the sugar and water in a saucepan, and bring it to a boil. Continue to boil for 2 minutes, but stirring to prevent scorching. Stir in the peanut butter, marshmallow cream, corn syrup, and flavoring. After that, mix it together, then let it sit to cool down before putting it into jars. Makes about 5-6 7oz jars.
Further, store in a cool dry place, for 6-12 months. This is a wonderful treat on bread or crackers, or with apples. And, speaking of apples…
Amish Apple Butter
Have an abundance of apples on hand? So, make this apple butter, which is a great alternative to just spreading butter on toast or biscuits.
- 5-6 lbs apples, for instance, peeled and finely chopped
- 4 cups sugar
- 2 teaspoons cinnamon
- ¼ teaspoon (ground) cloves
- ¼ teaspoon salt
Mix the sugar, cinnamon, cloves, and salt together. Add the apples, then place the apples into a slow cooker. Cover, and cook on high for 1 hour. Turn the slow cooker down to low, then cook for another 9-11 hours, occasionally stirring the apples. The mix should thicken and turn dark brown towards the end of this step.
Uncover the pot, and continue to cook for another hour. Use a whisk, if you want a smoother consistency. Spoon the apple mix into containers that have been sterilized.
Finally, cover them, and store in a cool dry place for up to 2 years.
Related: How To Make Apple Butter With 2 Years Shelf-Life
Cucumber Pickles
Also, this is an easy recipe for tasty pickles.
- 24 cucumbers, peeled
- 1 quart of onions, sliced
- one cup Salt
- 1-pint olive oil
- 1/4 pound of ground mustard
- 3 tablespoons of black pepper
- 3 pints of apple cider vinegar
First, slice the cucumbers (very thin), then add the sliced onions and cover them with the salt. Let it stand overnight in a covered container.
Drain this mix well, and add the olive oil, pepper, and ground mustard, stirring it all slowly.
Next, add the vinegar and stir thoroughly. Once it’s mixed well, pour it into air-tight jars.
Let stand for 6 weeks unopened, and stored in a cool dry place. The unopened jars of pickles should last up to a year.
Mustard Pickles
To be honest, I’m not sure why these are labeled as “pickles”, because it has so many other items in it. But, a colorful and unique treat regardless.
- 2 quarts green tomatoes, thinly sliced
- 2 qt. small sweet pickles
- two quarts small white onions, peeled
- 1/2 dozen green peppers, thinly sliced
- 2 heads cauliflower
- 1 cup salt
- 3 quarts white wine vinegar
- 1 cup flour
- 1/2 cups sugar
- 1/4 pound ground mustard
- 1-ounce celery seed
- 1/2 ounce turmeric (for coloring)
Separate the cauliflower into florets, then combine with onions, peppers, and tomatoes. Cover with the salt and let it stand overnight. Drain that mix, then cover with boiling water and cook the veggies until tender. Further, drain this mix. Mix the flour, sugar, mustard, celery seed, and turmeric.
Heat the vinegar, then pour over the dry mix, and stir well. Add the pickles to the cooked vegetables.
Next, pour the hot liquid over the pickles and vegetables, and cook for 10 minutes (or until the mixture thickens). Pour into sterilized jars and seal.
Related: 7 Deadly Canning Mistakes Even Smart People Make
This will last on the shelf for a couple years, as long as they haven’t been opened. Once opened, store in the refrigerator.
Gingered Pears
How about a sweet treat with a little spice?
- 5 lbs. Pears (not too ripe or soft)
- 3 cups water
- 5 lbs. sugar
- ½ cup chopped ginger
- Juice and rind (grated) of 3 lemons
Peel and core the pears, then dice or cut them into thin slices. Add them to the water and cook until the pears are tender. Add the sugar, ginger, lemon juice and rind. Allow this mixture to simmer until it becomes thick, and the pears become transparent. Pour the pear mix into sterilized jars, and seal.
This recipe makes about 5 pints of gingered pears. Unopened, the pears should last a couple years.
Amish Canned Meat Loaf
- 20 lbs ground beef
- 5 eggs
- 45 crackers (saltine works great)
- 8 cups water
- 1 tablespoon seasoning salt (Lawrys, for example)
- 4 oz. salt
- 5 slices bread
- 1½ cups oatmeal
- 1½ teaspoon pepper
Firstly, mix all the above ingredients, then press into canning jars. Following, pressure cook the jars for 1 hour.
Related: Canning Meatloaf for Meals in a Jar
Canned meatloaf can last up to a year, without opening.
Chunky Chicken Soup
- 2 gallons water
- 6 quarts chicken broth
- 1/4 cup butter
- 2 quarts celery, chopped
- 2 quarts carrots, for example, chopped or sliced thinly
- 3 quarts peas
- 4 quarts potatoes, diced
- 8 pounds chicken, cooked and cut up
- 2 onions, diced
- handful parsley
- 1/4 cup flour
Cook all the veggies, then drain (but save the water to be part of the 2 gallons above). Heat the water and chicken broth and bring to a boil.
Meanwhile, make a paste with the flour, and add it to the boiling water/chicken broth mix. Then, add the chicken and veggies, stir well.
Pour into canning jars, and pressure can at 10 pounds for 40 minutes. Unopened, it should last at least a year.
Pork and Beans
Nothing like homemade comfort food that you can take off the shelf at any time, right? Pork and beans is a perfect example of a good homestyle addition to any meal, or the main attraction.
- 8 pounds navy beans
- 1½ pounds bacon
- 1/3 cup salt
- 4 quarts tomatoes, for instance peeled and chopped (or use canned)
- 2 cup water
- 1 pound white sugar
- 2/3 cup brown sugar
- 1/2 cup flour
- 1/2 teaspoon red pepper
- 1 teaspoon dry mustard
- 1 teaspoon cinnamon
- 1/2 cup Karo syrup
Soak the beans overnight. Cook the bacon, to a light crisp. Drain the grease. Cook the beans until they are almost done.
Then, add the salt, sugars, Karo syrup, spices, and tomatoes. Mix the flour and water to make a paste.
Bring the beans and tomato mix to a boil, then add the paste. Fill canning jars and cold-pack for 1.5 hours.
Amish Friendship Bread Starter
Above all, it really wouldn’t be a complete article on Amish recipes, without one for Amish Friendship Bread Starter, would it?
It is the base to so many wonderful breads, and it can be shared with family and friends, hence the name.
Moreover, the starter can be kept indefinitely in the refrigerator, as long as you keep feeding it appropriately.
- 1 pack (2-1/4 teaspoons) active dry yeast
- 1/4 cup warm water (100° to 110°F)
- 3 cups all-purpose flour, divided into 1 cup each
- 3 c. whole milk, divided into 1 cup each
- three cups sugar, divided into 1 cup each
Related: How To Cultivate Your Own Wild Yeast Starter
Directions
Day One: In a glass, glazed ceramic, or plastic container, dissolve the pack of yeast in warm water and let it stand for 10 minutes. Next, add 1 cup (each) of sugar, flour and milk. Stir it well, then cover it loosely with plastic wrap. Then set it aside at room temperature.
Days 2-5: Once a day, stir the starter, then recover.
Day 6: Feed the starter with 1 cup each of the remaining sugar, flour, and milk. Stir well, then cover.
Day 7-9: Stir the starter, and recover
Day 10: Feed the starter again, with the remaining sugar, flour, and milk.
It takes 1 cup of the starter to make a loaf of bread, which can be used in many different recipes.
In addition, you can give 1 cup away to a friend, and keep one for yourself to have an active starter on hand at all times. Repeat the above cycle, to keep the starter alive.
You can look up several different recipes that the starter can be used in, such as this one for a cinnamon bread…
- 1 cup Amish Friendship Bread Starter
- ⅔ cup oil (vegetable)
- 3 eggs
- 2 cups all-purpose flour
- 1 cup sugar
- 1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
- ½ teaspoon salt
- ½ teaspoon baking soda
- 1 ¼ teaspoons baking powder
- 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
Preheat your oven to 350 F, and grease 2 bread loaf pans (9×5)
Combine all the ingredients in a large bowl, including the starter. Mix it well, then pour into the greased pans. Bake for 50-60 minutes.
Enjoy a slice with butter or any of the spreads above.
Finally
In conclusion, I hope you are able to enjoy at least one of the above recipes.
I have enjoyed Amish foods and goods for years and always get a little excited when I see an Amish store, restaurant, or stand.
The Amish know what they are doing when it comes to cooking and baking, in my humble opinion.
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I’m just wondering with all this crap going on in the world and so many food shortages now and more to come. How will you ever get to make any of the thing that you would love to make at any givin time. Will we be surviving with or with out. Will we be able to even make all of this in a time of survival. How much will we have at that time when the doors are shutting so fast. If they had there way we would be with out.
The time is coming closer every day that passes. I’m see and hearing things that should open our eyes to this that is almost on us. They will close the doors and then you will kiss there Asses or you will be hunted down and conform or you will be put away. yes put away, not living.
I hate this world. they have really screwed it up.
Hey if you can have all this when SHTF. then you will be doing better then most…
Yea well isn’t this why we prep?
Red Ant, you have to make it a way of life! You can’t wait until the SHTF situation occurs then try to prepare. You do it every day, so that you are prepared!
@ Ricky G
ok, I will start later. should be able to get all I need. yea…
Wouldn’t it be wise to try to survive a week without electricity now, to see what we really are going to need, in case we are without it?
Food shortages here are due to the logistics involved in the delivery and that is do to a labor shortage caused by free government money being handed out to folks who choose to stay unemployed rather than work! Elsewhere in the world, it’s all caused by sheer greed, absolutely no respect for life, and blind stupidity as well as the knowledge that “do gooders” will once again come to their aid and rescue! Heck, they’re already talking about a pending famine in Afghanistan!
I’m sorry, but the food shortages have many reasons, including environmental and pandemic related difficulties. It has absolutely nothing to do with Welfare money. People still take that money and go to the store to get groceries that the farmers grow. If you want to charge a little more for your hard work on your farm, do so! Afghanistan has food shortages in great part because they are in a desert where less grows. Because of the 20 year war we’ve been engaged in over there, the infrastructure to truck food in to this desert area can be disrupted. Also, climate change is making less food grow in areas where it used to grow, so less food to truck into Afghanistan.
Aww, C.C.!
Should’ve thought you would know better than that!
Yes, there are breakdowns in the production and distribution, but it goes back about two-three years due to bad weather. Abnormal cold got planting off to a late start in the mid-west, flooding also in mid west killed what came up in many places. Then there was an early frost…that was about three years ago. Last year, much the same…a little better growing conditions, but then…. the COVID!!!!
Everything shut down. Migrant workers were given now known to be faulty Covid tests and forbidden to work even if they asymptomatic.
This affected not only harvesting but transport to manufacturers and distribution, which were also shut down, leaving farmers with fields full of produce that they couldn’t even get out of the ground, or their storage, so it rotted. Another year utterly wasted.
This past year, drought on the west coast, MORE flooding in the mid-west. MORE Covid shutdowns and restrictions on migrant/temporary labor…MORE distribution shutdowns….do you see the pattern yet?
Bad enough that the weather was uncooperative, but the government threw up one roadblock after another to normalizing food production. And I’m not even going to get into the livestock side of things, what with feed going up, meat plants shutdown because “Covid”, herds and flocks being destroyed because there was no way to process them into meat and get them into the food chain, thousands of gallons of milk being poured into ditched because the bottling plants were shut down….OK I got into it, but how the government could say that food production was not an essential business is beyond comprehension.
Unless they WANTED to induce shortages.
Please note that now there are local governments and many retailers who have taken it upon themselves to REQUIRE PROOF OF VACCINATION or you won’t be allowed in the store to buy your groceries.
I’m not saying that the vaccines are good or bad, to me it’s up to the individual, but the Covid passports are an egregious breach of medical privacy laws, of ethics and a true violation of our civil rights. Nobody cares if you have had a flu shot unless you work in health care. Nobody is demanding proof of smallpox, diphtheria, polio or measles vaccination, and those are really deadly diseases that killed millions before vaccines were developed.
So why the push for Covid Vax? Unless they are doing it to make money. Or condition us for further incursions on our privacy and well-being. And don’t hand me that crapaganda about “but, but, but… people are DYING!!!” People died every year from the flu, sometimes a lot of people, and the government never REQUIRED citizens to get the shot. It was encouraged, but no one was refused service in a bar because they didn’t bring a certificate saying that they got their flu vaccine.
This has gotten completely out of hand and NOBODY is dealing with it rationally anymore, if ever they did.
Sorry to wander so far off topic, but the Covid shutdowns are the excuse for the government sabotaging (deliberately or not) the supply chain and food production and distribution in particular, in my not so humble opinion. And the rape of the American people’s rights continues on. #AllOfUs
Folks the Sh!t is already hitting the Fan.
Agree with you, Molly. But it hasn’t brought the fan to a complete halt, YET. There’s still a bit of time for last minute shopping for those that feel they’re not prepared enough..
The SHTF scenario doesn’t happen overnight just like the crash of ’29 and the subsequent great depression were years in the making. Things MAY get more interesting after Sept. 6th when the unemployment cheques stop and early Oct. when the moratorium on evictions ends. Those are the two dates I’m keeping my eye on. But we shouldn’t underestimate the seriousness of the times we live in. Now even some of the Hopi and Lakota elders are coming out and saying that the times ahead of us could be full of great hardship and sorrow.
Yes, it is, for the good though. Scare tactics, fear is what they are hopping for. Remain calm, be as prepared as you can. Others will get things you don’t and visa versa. Work together for humanity. God is in control. He will allow us to go through this and will be with us all along the way. If, you haven’t reached out to God. Now is the time. Look up and focus on Him!
Of course you can. You just have to grow it and do it. I’m a farmer it’s not hard to accomplish, it’s just work.
Someone wants you to believe that.
If you stop believing it, that means you might stop putting money into that basket and of course they don’t want that to happen. It fosters an “us against them” mentality. In reality, there’s no need for such division. None of the ridiculous conspiracy theories that have been touted over the years have come true. No one has come knocking at your door to take away your guns. No one has killed you for your religious beliefs. Those “chem trails” have been studied over and over again. Either they are unintentional flight path moisture trails, or perhaps cloud seeding at worst. Some folks want you to be perpetually afraid. Having you so afraid makes some folks a lot of money.
Be safe out there and be kind to one another. Isn’t that what we all were asked to do?
Agree, V. As interesting as conspiracy theories can be they’re just that. Theories. Unfounded speculation. Although if this increasing control of us continues unabated it could end up like in the book, 1984. Our TV’s watching US. Big brother. Mind control. It could. Absolutely agree with the last statement, V. Hate hurts our soul. Kindness doesn’t cost anything. Especially on this page. It’s like talking with friends and family. As goofy as it sounds I’m at that point where a number of friends have already passed away. I have no family so I’ve adopted all of you as my family. As long as we treat each with the respect and kindness due any human being. We can argue. We can debate. But that can also be done in the right way. No need to put the other down to make ourselves feel better. A little humour never hurts.
V: One great-grandfather was put in jail by dems for practicing his religion without their permission. One grandfather’s cousin went to prison for the same and his children sent to Calysle Indian School. Dems haver said constantly the Constitution is a living document, meaning it’s open to interpretation. Conservatives say it’s written in stone. Dems do as they want. Dems worship power and wealth. Conservatives education and freedom. In the 1930s, Joe Kennedy read Mein Kampf and later joined the UK Nazi Party when he was assigned as ambassador to the court of St. James. Dems went from being quasi conservatives to uber liberals who obey what Hitler wanted done. It’s history, not fantasy. At one time liberals were steel demanding human rights even dying to help people. Now the dems took them over and they bow to the dnc.
V, so you are saying our government is not working hard to disarm the citizenry as already has been done in GB and Australia? And you are saying that Muslims are not slaughtering Christians all over the globe due solely to their religious beliefs? Regarding cloud seeding, do some research in science journals online regarding weather control. It’s much more than just a rain dance. You appear to confuse being aware and preparing for a less than ideal scenario with being afraid. Some folk want you to remain perpetually naive and unaware.
Red Ant, we will have “all this” post-shtf only if we store it away now.
CMon Ant. We know it’s bad. You’re not throwing in the towel now are you. I know it’s frustrating and I get pissed off too. I think you’re better than that. Please don’t think that I’m not frustrated also. Take care!
Some really cool recipes. I like the bread starter. May get to the point where we’re forced to bake our own bread. As long as you have enough flour stored to last you for a while. On youtube “Jenny Can Cook” has a very simple easy recipe for making bread. As for stewed pears I prefer cloves in my pears as opposed to ginger. Ginger in other things.
Unfortunately, flour has a pretty short shelf life. Better to get whole wheat and grind it yourself.
Midwest Prepper:
You can buy canned flour from sites that sell bulk long term storage and freeze dried food. Shelf life of up to 25 years. I know that a lot of people here dry can flour for long term storage, too.
Whole grains do last longer than ground, but the oils will go rancid eventually. Maybe dry can or vac pac the grains for longer shelf life?
Prepper: Corn flour has a long shelf life. It fine ground grits, and considered precooked. It’s easy to make with dry corn, some lye and water. Wash well to get rid of the lye taste before using. then it can be wet ground. We mix in some starch to bind it, and make corn noodles. 50% bean flour (pinto beans were originally a flour bean) mixed in with along with other things make pie crust and so on. Next month, get those oilseed radishes and so on planted! niio
Even “2nd world countries” like Argentina had bread and commerce flowing, even in the midst of the worst economic collapse the world has seen in a very long time. Even countries in the Middle East, which are currently going through war and destruction have trucks and other vehicles moving from place to place delivering supplies. I’m not saying don’t prep. ABSOLUTELY prep. I’m saying that we’d have to be in a worse economic and infrastructure situation than the Middle East and countries like Argentina COMBINED before you would not be able to buy bread at a shop.
Hey, V. I don’t think Argentina got hit with the worst of it. Remember Venezuela? At the height of their crisis people were starving so badly that they were reduced to eating grass. Not a lot of food trucks going through Venezuela at that point. Haven’t checked Venezuela lately so I don’t know if their crisis is still ongoing. Could be. Damn I miss LCC. He knows all this stuff. What I do know is that the country with the lowest current inflation rate is Andorra at MINUS 0.90% which is deflation. Negative inflation is deflation. Argentina has the distinction of having the world’s 3rd highest inflation rate at almost 50%. This pales into insignificance when compared with Venezuela’s at 5,500%. Can you imagine? 5,500%!!! Be no use having any money in the bank. No use having any savings. It looks like the crisis is still ongoing in Venezuela. Definitely keep prepping. Our own future doesn’t look all that rosy.
Gee, my recipe for chicken soup starts with a whole chicken. To be authentic, to me it looks like the author skipped a few important steps and needs to back that recipe up to its whole parts rather than start with broth and cut up chicken! There are some good Amish, Mennonite, and Mormon cookbooks out there. As well as classic cookbooks of various European cuisines which include some very old if not ancient recipes. I do like the Amish the best as it fits my taste buds! These recipes will have a place in my kitchen!
If you like these recipes, CC, there’s a website called Mennonite Girls Can Cook. Wonderful recipes. These girls really know what they’re doing.
hey armin,
i don’t get to this website regularly, but today i read another article here where a “michael” expressed the same sentiment of missing LCC. why are you guys missing him? gives me the same sinking feeling i had when one day back in hs i asked a sad-looking classmate in jest, who had died, and she told me of a fellow classmate and her brother dying the day before in a car crash. i was horrified. pls tell me he is still with us.
City Chick, could be the author’s broth and cut up chicken was a whole chicken yesterday. 🙂
Feathers and all. 🙂 niio
I think some of the recipes have left a few things out. The beans for example Need to be processed in a pressure canner, because of the low acid content and they have bacon in them.
Not sure what cold processing is but this could be a jar of botulism if not done correctly.
I usually like the articles of Ms. Barber, but this one should be re done to adhere to safe canning practices.
Peace,
MadFab
11 pounds, 240F, on canner with gauge, use the 10 lb weight on a canner w/o gauge. Need to consult charts as your altitude increases, you have to reach 240F throughout the product to inactivate botulism spores.
I feel silly but how do I make bread from and use the active bread starter?
Never feel silly about asking a question, JME. Better to ask the question and know than not. There is no such thing as a silly or stupid question. We’re all at a different stage in our prepping journey and knowledge. And on this page we’re here to help each other. If someone wants to make fun of another just because they don’t know something then they have no place on this page. Not to belabour the obvious but the recipe is just for a bread starter. And the recipe given here makes three cups of starter. Says somewhere in the article you could use one cup of starter for yourself. Give another cup to a friend and have the last cup ready for another loaf of bread. So, make your starter as per the recipe. Once it’s ready just get the right amount of flour and whatever other ingredients you need to make the type of bread that you want. Then just mix all the ingredients together, including the starter, and let them rise. Basically double in volume. And as far as I know, and if I’m wrong someone please correct me, you have to punch the dough down once to get the large gas bubbles out of it. Then let it rise again until it’s doubled in volume and slam dunk it into a pre-heated oven. Bake and eat. Hardly anything nicer than fresh-baked bread. If you do eat it still warm be careful drinking cold liquids with it as that apparently can cause you problems. Otherwise enjoy. If you’re not quite sure what you’re doing yet they do include a recipe for cinnamon bread. So if you like cinnamon bread just follow the recipe for the starter and the cinnamon bread and enjoy. You shouldn’t have any problems. Hope this helps you, JME.
Mostly correct on bread making, making a yeast rising wheat bread though, after mixing the ingredients to a dough you then knead it, you have to watch someone kneading dough, or a video, to get the hang of it. Kneading causes the protein in the dough, gluten, to develop into long strands that knit together and capture the CO2 the yeast is excreting, creating the wonderful texture you get with wheat bread. Knead 5 to 10 minutes, let it rise, punch it down, divide into loaves, put them on a baking sheet dusted with cornmeal and let them rise again, a bit less than double, then bake ’em up!
2 cups unbleached white flour
2 cups stone ground whole wheat flour
2 cups water
pack of active dry yeast
1/4 cup honey
1/8 cup Steen’s Ribbon Cane syrup, or sulfured molasses
1/4 cup cold pressed corn oil
1 teaspoon salt
1/4 cup unsalted sunflower seeds
1/8 cup sesame seeds
Arrowhead Mills stone ground whole wheat flour is the best there is, their rice flour is also the best, milled to a finer texture than other rice flours it makes smooth and tender tempura. Cold pressed corn oil has a great buttery flavor no other oil can match. Steen’s pure ribbon cane syrup is a bit sweeter than molasses, the flavor lighter.
Dissolve yeast in 2 cups of warm water in your mixing bowl, let stand for 15 minutes while it comes to life.
Add other liquid ingredients, the salt, and the sunflower and sesame seed.
4 cups of flour is ballpark, add a cup and a half of each and see how soft the dough is, if you need more than 4 cups add unbleached flour to keep the bread light. This dough should be moist, even a little sticky, just have to make it a few times to learn the right texture. Turn the mixed dough out on a board and knead for 7 minutes, put it in a lightly oiled bowl, cover with a damp dish towel and let rise around 45 minutes, depends on temp in the kitchen. Turn the risen dough out, punch down, knead a couple minutes, form into loaves placing them on a sheet pan dusted with cornmeal and let the loaves almost double, bake the bread about 45 minutes at 350, when it’s beautifully brown pick up a loaf with a dish towel and thump the bottom, properly done it should have a nice hollow sound when thumped.
Immediately cut a thick slice and butter it heavily, eat it all, the cook don’t have to share in the kitchen.
Armin, thank you for what you just said, so many times we put ourselves down bcuz of our society makes us think we have to.
Please everyone. The first booboo, is never a booboo, it’s a learning experience. Second booboo is a booboo that just means you need more learning. ? never, never, stop leaning.
And just wanted to let you know, after punching down the bread the first time, you have to let it re-rise one more time before baking. ?
JME: Now that you got the scoop from experts how-to, I want to add a side issue. Liquid on top of the sourdough starter is beer. A lot of recipes call for beer and this can be used.
Another one is grain vinegar. Put the beer in a jug and cover with a clean rag to make what people are willing to pay thru the nose for, grain vinegar.
For rice wine vinegar (we’re gluten intolerant), cook a pound of rice halfway thru, then cool. Wet grind it in a food processor or blender then put in a jug or crock to finish fermenting. The liquid is vinegar. When its done, we pour off the vinegar and put that in a jug with a cap. Vinegar will keep at room temperature but for active starter, the starter has to be fed several times a week, the ‘food’ stirred in. One thing it likes is plain yogurt or some milk. It makes a much tastier food and is great for your health. niio
Hey, red. When you’re making beer vinegar aren’t you supposed to put a piece of vinegar mother into it? Or if you don’t have any of that some raw vinegar itself?
Armin: It all starts with yeast, but for rice wine vinegar or rice sourdough, koji starter is best. Koji demands plenty of oxygen and will stink if capped.
Use sourdough starter if you have no yeast, or let it sit uncovered to catch wild yeast. Mind that wild yeast is an unknown and you can wind up with some nasty crap. If you like the starter, some can be dried for later use.
Fermented veggies use a natural bacteria and yeast to make their vinegar. We like kraut, so cucumbers, peppers, and other things can go in the bottom of the jar or crock. As long as there’s no salt and the heat is high, 80-85 F, it acts fast without mold or yeasts forming. the faster it ferments, the crunchier the veggies will be and the more sour. niio
I’m learnin’ so much from you, red. Damn, do you know a lot of stuff! I’ve never even heard of koji starter. But I do love sauerkraut. One of the best things for you. So easy to make too. Cabbage will grow in most climates. Doesn’t have to be tropical. Thanks for that, red.
Sorry, buddy, but sometin’ didn’t sit right with me when you were talking about making kraut without any salt. So I had to look it up. I think the way you’re talking about making it you end up with something that could kill you. 80-85 F isn’t very hot. That’s less than body temperature. Lukewarm to us. You probably meant 80-85 C. When you’re talkin’ about making kraut with cucumbers you’re basically talking pickled or brined cucumbers. And you do need salt. This how you make pickled cucumbers. Typically, small cucumbers are placed in a glass or ceramic vessel or a wooden barrel, together with a variety of spices. Among those traditionally used in many recipes are garlic, horseradish, whole dill stems with umbels and green seeds, white mustard seeds, grape, oak, cherry, blackcurrant and bay laurel leaves, dried allspice fruits, and—MOST IMPORTANTLY—SALT! The container is then filled with cooled, boiled water and kept under a non-airtight cover (often cloth tied on with string or a rubber band) for several weeks, depending on taste and external temperature. Traditionally stones, also sterilized by boiling, are placed on top of the cucumbers to keep them under the water. The cucumber’s sourness depends on the amount of salt added (saltier cucumbers tend to be more sour). Since brined pickles are produced without vinegar, a film of bacteria forms on top of the brine. This does not indicate that the pickles have spoiled, and the film may simply be removed. They do not, however, keep as long as cucumbers pickled with vinegar and usually must be refrigerated. Some commercial manufacturers add vinegar as a preservative. Sauerkraut is made the same way. Finely shredded cabbage layered with salt. Peace red brother.
Hey, Red. I want to mail you some seeds from my Ozark Reaper peppers. How can I get your email address or home address? Oracle
Oracle: They give me hiccups. We have chimayo, if you want some seeds. They like cooler weather and while they can get burned by frost, keep on growing and blooming. Also might soon have bird peppers (chiltepin). Both can survive winter here with some protection. A neighbor has the parent chiltepin and it’s 4-5 years old outside.
Meanwhile, I checked on a peck of dried Hatch reds and found something got into them. My fault. They should have been hung in a burlap sack. Will salvage what I can. Quail will like the seeds 🙂 niio
For a basic bread I use yeast, sugar, flour, water and a level teaspoon of salt per 2 of flour +|- depending on your taste buds.
I then vary that by maybe adding EV olive oil or butter, maybe a couple tablespoons of powdered milk. The sugar feeds and activates the yeast so can be made into a starter as described above. This also changes the liquid quantity that you would normally add to just the basic recipe.Basic bread is just the starter, flour, water and salt to make a pliable dough. dough too wet, add more flour. Without starter it can be a flat bread.
It all depends on what you have. In hard times sugar may not be available, or oil or butter, even poppy and seseme seeds. Sour dough starter is a little more difficult as you’re starting with wild yeasts rather than a packet but it may be all that is available after the shops are empty so worth checking out.
Everyone wants a lovely, fluffy loaf of fresh bread but after 40 years I still have the odd failure so don’t stress. Better a solid dense loaf than none at all and practice does make perfect (most of the time ?)
Correction:1 level teaspoon salt to 2 cups flour
Ginny: Pie is better. After all, the docs want us to eat more fruit.
When we still ate wheat, French bread was a mainstay. Croissants, cake breads (raisin, cinnamon, fruit) and so on, as well. Mom taught us well. One thing was stuffed bread loaf. Take a loaf of stale bread, hollow it from one end, make stuffing of choice with cooked meat in it, and bake till the eggs in it are done. A pa of water under the bread pan helps to keep it from drying out. niio
JME:
I still have problems with yeast breads coming out with a crust you need a chisel to get through. I’ve read that a pan of water in the oven will correct that, but I clearly need more practice and will be working on that.
In the meantime, baking powder breads like quick loaves, muffins, and biscuits can fill your belly while you hone your skills. Hot biscuits with plenty of real butter and jelly or honey are a little piece of heaven.?
But keep trying and don’t get discouraged. As long as the loaf is cooked through and there are no pockets of raw dough, you can at least feed it to the birds. There is no waste in nature.
Miz Kitty: don’t forget the molasses! LOL. Is your heat too high? Did you try buttering the top of the loaf? Is it raising long enough? We used to make French bread. It’s the most simple recipe, but takes hours punching and raising the dough. Yet, no loaf ever came out bad. niio
Hey, Kit. So nice to see you pop up here. These pages aren’t quite the same without you. 😉 I can understand why you’re a single lady. You’re just too damn smart for most men! I like smart women. They challenge me and I like being challenged. That’s how we grow and evolve. First things first. As for a little piece of heaven; lately I’ve discovered a chocolate caramel pecan cream pie. Right now my favourite pie in the world. Sooooooo good! I think I already mentioned this one to you before. The song by Blues Saraceno; Carry Me Back Home. Great song. Might be worth adding to your playlist. If not there already. Lately I’ve come to appreciate many wonderful southern tunes. There’s a lot of good music there. Stevie Ray Vaughan’s Crossfire. Steve Earle’s Copperhead Road. Chris Stapleton’s Tennessee Whiskey. Great song! Gretchen Wilson’s Redneck Woman. I like her. “I know all the words to every Charlie Daniel’s song”. LOL! Now on to the rest. You’re saying that your crust comes out too hard, Kit. Easy way around it is to get some new dentures. 😉 JUST KIDDING! You’re spot on with your idea about the pan of water in the oven. A little trick to make your bread come out better with a softer crust is to BOIL the water first before putting it into a preheated oven with your bread dough. Helps it to generate steam/water vapour easier. Cold water in the oven helps to pull the temperature down in the first little while. The boiled water generating steam should help to give you a softer crust. If you try it let me know if it works. What do you have to lose by trying it? A hard crust. 😉 Everyone keeps talking about their flour going bad after a while. Don’t have a lot of whole wheat on hand so I haven’t checked it in a while. Hope it hasn’t gone rancid. But as for the white flour I’ve NEVER had any of it go bad on me and some of it is 10-15 years old. Every once in a while I’ll grab a new old bag of flour and use it and it’s perfectly ok. I don’t know why others have problems with their white flour and I don’t. Not doing anything special to store it. It’s in the original bag in a vermin proof container. The container is NOT airtight. I just store the flour in a relatively cool, dry place with plenty of airflow. We get plenty of humidity up here in the summer time. So the humidity can’t be a factor. As we have very cold winters up here the air gets so dry that it may dry things out between the summer heat and humidity and help to preserve them. I just had a strange thought, Kit, talking about cold, dry air. And I know you’re probably rolling your eyes. Might be something to try with one bag of flour and see how it turns out. May be the bag of flour that lasts the longest after people have used up the other ones. If people have one of those chest freezers and plenty of room in it why not just store your flour in that? Seal it in freezer-grade plastic first so it doesn’t pick up the moisture from the other things in the freezer and see how long it lasts. You shouldn’t get any ice crystals forming in dry flour. Today the temperature with the humidity factored in is supposed to be 38/39 C. Tomorrow 41 C. That’s a ridiculous temperature for up here. C’mon grand solar minimum! 😉 We just had one heck of a thunderstorm roll through here. 4:30 local time. Regarding your response to CC there’s nothing much I can add to it. Fires in one place. Flooding in another. Drought somewhere else. A year or two of bad crops. Meat plants being forced to close. No workers to harvest the crops. If there are crops in the first place. It’s all coming together to give us food shortages and empty shelves. Still pretty good up here though. The shelves are pretty well stocked with most everything. High inflation hasn’t quite hit us, YET! What I do notice is slow in being restocked are things like canned meat. Pickled herring. Yum! Know the canned road kill not the best thing to stock up on but in a pinch when I haven’t eaten for a week will taste like the best meal I’ve ever had. The baked beans are still pretty cheap at Walmart. Still under a dollar per can. Have to get a bunch more before Sept. 06 when the US unemployment cheques stop. Also running out of TP. What I do find conspicuously absent in your response to CC is that you didn’t mention the ongoing, worsening global shipping crisis which I alluded to on another page. I wrote a whole big long blurb on it. That’s also making it difficult to keep shelves stocked. I pretty well agree with everything you have to say about this covid thing. We’re being forced to quarantine under the pretense of it being called a pandemic and it IS a true violation of our civil rights. Worldwide. And it’s only a pandemic because it’s jumped borders. People in the beginning of this shouldn’t have been hoodwinked by the fear and hysteria generated by the mainstream media. Controlled by a very few wielding disproportionate power. Instead they should have done their research and due diligence and not given into their fear. NO ONE can give you any medicine or do any medical procedure on you without your express consent. Preferably in writing. It’s akin to assault and even rape. If they try that you can sue their asses off. And if people had done their due diligence and refused the so called “vaccine” en masse (BTW this is NOT a vaccine it’s a medical procedure done under experimental conditions…it violates all kinds of laws…look up the definition of a vaccine) in the first place we wouldn’t be in the mess we’re in now. I know it sounds heartless and I’m really not but even the ordinary flu kills approx. 3/4 of a million of us most years and nobody gives a hoot about that. When this kind of covid disease comes along every 100 years or so it typically takes out about 3% of the population. The Spanish flu of 1918 took out approx. 3% of the world population at that time. And I say let it. I know I sound like a heartless monster. It targets the weak, the infirmed and the elderly. And frankly we’re better off without them. It helps to strengthen the rest of the herd. Even though I could be considered one of the elderly. Although I do have a stellar immune system. No drugs, Don’t smoke. Drink in moderation when I do drink. Drugs are a huge problem worldwide. And not only pot. Things much worse than pot. The people with a good immune system sail through a covid infection and then are stronger for it. This is how nature works. Kills off the weak to preserve the stronger. As for Covid certificates and passports I know our gov’t is talking about them as related to travel. International and inter-provincial. Don’t quite know how they’re going to enforce inter-provincial travel by car. I’m pretty sure there’s no border crossings between provinces. They’re also talking about certificates for non-essential events like sporting events. Concerts. Movie theatres. Places where people are jammed together. I’m sure that’s being driven by the businesses themselves. They’re all hurting. Haven’t heard of anyone being denied service from essential retailers like grocery stores or any retailer for that matter. As long as you’re wearing your mask when going into a store we should be alright up here. And you can be sure I’ll be wearing my mask long after the hysteria has died down. Covid 19 is now in our environment and it isn’t going away any time soon. I’m sure it’ll come around once or twice a year and take out some more of us. And now they’re trying to force a third shot on us. As if that’s going to make any noticeable difference. I don’t think they’ll be able to do it because then there’ll be a lot of lawsuits but if it ever gets to the point where we need proof of vaccination to go food shopping I don’t care about that. I have enough food on hand for at least 10 years. As long as they don’t shut off my water and power. I’m not going to call it a conspiracy, Kit, but it seems as if the governments of the world are colluding and doing everything they can to try and force that damn vaccine down our throats. Well, not our throats but in our arms. 😉 And you have to ask yourself why. Is it about more control of us. Maybe. Or is that a red herring. Is it about money. Definitely. The vaccine is much more expensive than Ivermectin which has been shown to be quite effective against the virus. And a LOT cheaper. So let’s say it’s not about control but only about the money.That still doesn’t explain the government’s rabid; which means having or proceeding from an extreme or fanatical support of or belief in something; attempts to get 100% of the population vaccinated. To be polite let’s use overzealous. So why are they so fanatical about getting EVERYONE vaccinated. So that there’s no control group. Nah. Too easy. Besides they’ll NEVER get 100% coverage. So could it be that there’s something in the vaccine itself to make the populace even more docile and dumb them down even more. And it doesn’t show up until about a year later. There have been no long-term studies done with this vaccine so they really don’t know what it’s going to do in the long run. And they’re hell bent on giving people that third shot. There have been studies done on that vaccine backed up by at least one Japanese study. And these studies were done by real scientists. Epidemiologists. Peer-reviewed and published in accredited medical journals. What they found in the vaccine was a cytotoxic spike protein. Which apparently breaks off from whatever molecule it’s attached to and can lodge anywhere in the body. Where it lodges it can cause any number of problems ranging from blood clots, strokes, heart attacks, etc. Basically anything you can think of. And this has been grossly underreported and swept under the rug. At least 1/2 million people have had some kind of serious adverse reaction to the vaccine. I will refuse the vaccine unto my dying breath. And if I get sick from the virus (BTW I think I’ve already had it…February of this year I think) and I force the doctors to give me Ivermectin instead of the vaccine and I die anyways. I don’t care. I figure that was my time to go. We all come with an expiry date. At least then I’ll have peace and no more debilitating pain.
That’s was so nice of you, KIt. You sent me a big kiss. Aww. Now I’m all tingly. 😉 Really appreciate it. I’ll send you an HAK in return! 🙂
Not necessary to use bread starter to.make delicious & healthy bread.
A lot of misinformation in some of these recipes that require canning. If people follow them they could end up sick.
Canning is tricky at the best of times, C. If you’re not scrupulous about what you’re doing you could very easily end up with food poisoning. In the old days they used to cover the food product with a layer of wax before tightening the lid. I put my own spin on it. When I’m canning any kind of fruit as soon as I have a sufficient amount of hot, steaming product in the jar I cover the fruit with a thin layer of strong booze. Completely cover it. Something like overproof rum. And then quickly tighten down the lid. I figure the fumes given off by the alcohol sterilize the environment inside the jar and the layer of booze on top of the fruit will kill any pathogens that might have tried to sneak into the jar. And also when the jar cools, the vapours condense and might actually help to make a better seal. I’ve had jars of fruit sitting there for near ten years like that, in the dark, without any problems. That first spoonful is a doozey, though. Not recommended for first thing in the morning. Just joking. That little bit of booze won’t do anyone any harm.
I no longer eat sugar but I grew up eating a lot of these foods. Apple butter, nothing like it, so good! These are not foods I would expect to prepare after a SHTF, but if you’re serious about being prepared you should learn all of these homesteader type recipes and techniques. If you’ve never made bread find some recipes that require you to do everything by hand, no stinking bread machine, no dough hook. Mixing a dough and kneading it by hand,, shaping it into loaves, baking it and eating a big hunk of fresh bread still hot from the oven slathered with butter is a primal human experience no one should miss. Learning all the steps to successful pressure canning is every bit as satisfying, you take the jars of green beans or tomato sauce out of the canner and set them on a cooling board, after a few minutes you hear the popping of the lids as they vacuum seal, been doing it for years and still love that sound. The Amish peanut butter sounds like a delicious express ticket to type 2 diabetes.
Why is Ultimate Life Clinic allowed to whip our butts with their silly scam poo poo? They seem to have good bit of money, Claude should make ’em pay to advertise on the site.
Heart breaking now over Afghanistan.
Most peanut butter is, Judge. Not only the Amish version. Way too much sugar in our foods these days. Surprised there isn’t more diabetes around. But everything in moderation and you shouldn’t have any problems. I like my peanut butter sandwich in the morning in the winter. I don’t slather it on an inch thick and I don’t put any jam on it. Most store bought jams these days are almost sickeningly sweet. Especially Smuckers. Agreeing with you about Afghanistan is a no brainer. What a colossal waste of time, energy and manpower. All those brave boys that died for nothing and still nothing has been resolved. And now the terrorists are running the country again. Such a tragedy.
Trader Joe’s own salted peanut butter is made with the best Valencia peanuts – organic & no additives. Wondrous & delicious. Can purchase in store or online. Please give a try!
Sorry about that, your honour. 😉 I thought kneading the bread was a given. I’ve done it so often I sometimes forget others may not take it for granted. Thanks for letting others know about that most important step. When you see it done it’s like an aha! moment. Thanks for including that recipe for half and half bread. Much healthier than just plain white bread.
I think the point is to make and save these foods prior to the fan shutting down from the shit hitting it. LOL
Nothing is going to “shut down”. It is in no one’s interest to stop the flow of capitalism. Trust me, if there’s money to be made, “they” will make sure the economy stays open and moving along. Peace.
Fer soor, Midwest. The more resources we have on hand the better our chances to survive the troubles ahead of us.
LOL? ?
Judge Holden:
Here in the North East, we get a jahh of Skippy, a jahh of marshmallow fluff and put a layer of each on a piece of bread and slap ’em together for that gourmet delight…the fluffer- nutter. Or more properly, the fluffah- nuttah.?
Miz Kitty: Ah yep! Don’t forget the black strap molasses! niio
and what the hell was that from sleepy joe? “the first person i was instructed to call upon…” that has got to be a first for a president! who is running this show anyway ??♂️
Mora:
Comatose Joe has got to go!
Miz Kitty: The whole creepy party. Pedo joe is a patsy, not the leader. niio
Love these recipes
Thank you for your kind comments, Teresa. I figure one of the things we’re down here to do is to try and help each other as much as we are able instead of putting each other down. One is constructive the other destructive. In my reply to JME I’m sure I said that you had to let the bread rise again after punching it down before throwing it into the oven. If you didn’t let it rise again after punching it down you’d probably end up with quite a dense loaf. Maybe something more like a pizza rather than a bread. As far as I know when they’re making a pizza they just roll out the dough. Slap on the ingredients and then put it into a very hot oven. The pizza works because it’s a very thin dough. If you tried that with a “regular” bread I don’t think you’d like the result. If for some reason you didn’t let the bread rise that second time you might still get a bit of a rise out of the dough because of the heat of the oven but probably not as good as if you did it properly. Many, many years ago (yes, I’m an old fart. LOL!) I used to bake a lot of my own bread but haven’t done so lately. On youtube on the “Jenny Can Cook” channel she has a very simple recipe for a no-knead bread. Just flour, yeast, salt and hot water. Seems to work. Haven’t tried it yet but am willing to give it a go if bread starts to get scarce in the stores. Thank you for your comments. Much appreciated. 🙂
Armin: when a kid and learning to cook (we all had to, boys and girls) from Mom, she would have us help. then, we had to do one on our own and eat it. My first loaf was rock hard and hardly rose. Dog bread, she called. I was ashamed, but she told me about yeast, heat, the sponge, how to keep an eyes on the over of the wood range, and so on. She even made stew and hollowed out the loaf, filling it with stew a la Middle Ages. Tasty, but still too hard to eat. Dad buried the sad remains in the manure heap and next spring when we were loading the manure spreader I kept getting my stones busted, hey, ain’t that rock your bread? 🙂 Well, no more gluten in the diet and no carbs, but I still make bread now and then, but gluten free. niio
You’ve definitely had an interesting life, red. Or are having an interesting life. I don’t know how old you are. You’re very lucky that you grew up in such a wonderful family. Wow! No carbs!? You must be skinny as a rake. I don’t know if I could get used to no carbs. Right now I’m in a no-beer phase. I do love my potatoes and pasta. In moderation. Try to intersperse it with rice now and again. But it isn’t as satisfying. Suppose it’s all a matter of habit. Everyone regardless of gender should know the basics of cooking. Even bread isn’t THAT difficult. They just have to be shown. And then you let them “practise”. In the West it’s somehow ingrained in us that failure makes us less. We should not be afraid to fail as long as we learn from our mistakes and improve. Think Edison. Our greatest advances usually come from our greatest failures. I’ll never be a world class chef but most of the time what I cook is more or less edible. I haven’t poisoned myself yet. It does taste better when it’s cooked by a woman, though. At least to me. And as long as I keep an eye on what I’m cooking, most of the time I don’t burn the water. 😉 Peace brother.
Not so sure, VV. We’d all like to see the money train keep running unabated but there are just too many factors pointing to an upcoming severe “economic downturn”. Even if it doesn’t come to pass it’s always better to have a little more on hand just in case another disaster happens.
I like the p-nut butter recipe. Before running out in a shtf situation, use some p-nut butter to make more. Comfort food.
We like southern style, something one grandmother brought up from W. Virginia. Put the peanut butter in a bowl, warm it, and add a little black strap molasses. Dr. Washington Carver has a southern, Depression era cook book and his genius in small farm agriculture posted on his site at https://www.nal.usda.gov/exhibits/ipd/carver/exhibits/show/homemaking/recipes
Red and Jackie:
Honey is good too, maybe a little cinnamon.
Peanut butter and fluff, equal proportions. Melt in a saucepan, stir together and add rice crispies. Stir to coat cereal, dump out on a buttered plate and smoosh into a flat pattie. Cool a bit, cut or tear into pieces and you’ve got rice crispy treats.
If you can’t eat peanuts, sunflower butter is pretty close texture-wise and is a bit cheaper than almond or cashew butter.
I can’t do it, red. I can’t eat warm peanut butter. I’ve tried. Makes me gag. Don’t have a peanut allergy just very unpleasant for me. Peace brother.
Armin: It has to chill a while to let the flavors open up. Mom used to add a lot of butter, as well, to prevent throat hernias. When’s the last time you had a peanut butter pie? niio
Now you’re just teasing me, red. I know you have a wicked sense of humour. Very dry though. Wouldn’t want to play poker with you. You probably have a good poker face. Throat hernia? Peanut butter pie? Used to ad a lot of butter to it. You’re too funny, brother. When was the last time I had peanut butter pie? Never! LOL! I’ve had peanut butter cookies but not p-nut pie. Yuck! You shouldn’t be this cruel to an old man, red. Have a little respect for us septuagenarians. 😉 Peace brother.
Armin: Geezis, you kids today!
https://www.reference.com/world-view/causes-throat-hernia-b14f175178555b0c
This was Nana’s (Granny) favorite and very popular in the 30s. Of course, Pappy used to joke that Nana had the hots for Autry, too 🙂
PEANUT BUTTER PIE (GENE AUTRY’S, best one!)
Amount Measure Ingredient — Preparation Method
——– ———— ——————————–
1 C Peanut butter
8 oz Package cream cheese
1 C Sugar
2 Tblspn Melted butter
1 C Whipping cream, whipped
1 tea Vanilla
1 Graham cracker pie crust
Hot fudge sauce
cream together peanut butter, cream cheese and sugar. Stir in the butter, whipped cream and vanilla. Mix well. Pour into graham cracker crust.
Chill 4 to 5 hours or until well set. Top with heated, thinned hot fudge sauce. Chill again for 30 minutes.
Basic Graham Cracker Crust Recipe
• 18 mins
• Prep: 10 mins,
• Cook: 8 mins
• Yield: 1 Pie Shell (8 Servings)
She made a pretty great peanut butter cake, too.
Apparently the Amish have wicked sweet tooth’s or really burn huge amounts of carbs. I make apple butter with nothing but apples and cinnamon. I just cook it down. It’s always plenty sweet and much healthier. I opened some I canned 5 years later and other than turning dark it was perfectly edible.
Scott:
Probably a little of both! Bear in mind that most of the Amish are living on farms and doing heavy manual labor all day, every day, so they burn up a lot of calories.
In a shtf situation, assuming that we weren’t running for our lives through the city with a crazed mob at our heels for whatever reason, and we were at a rural location, we would likely be doing a lot of manual labor ourselves. A salad and a smoothie just won’t give us the energy we’ll need to spend all day tending livestock, a garden, crops, doing repairs, keeping an eye open for intruders, doing laundry by hand, churning butter by hand and a million other things that we may not have the technology to do for us.
Also, in a shtf situation, you may not have adequate heating in the winter. You’ll need extra calories to stay warm.
Miz Kitty: Chia is still low in price. Food For Living, out of NYC is a very good site. American Indians during the colonial period (Spaniards) could work all day on one tablespoon of them. niio
Red:
One tablespoon a day? That sounds more like the Spaniards were giving them starvation rations than that the chia is THAT concentrated a food.
Nevertheless, I agree. Chia and amaranth were superfood staples of the ancient peoples of Meso America and we’re lucky to have access to them now.
Miz Kitty: the slavers gave nothing. This is what they raised, themselves. As fer amaranth, the Spanish tried to outlaw it because it had some unpleasant religious crap done with it. Chia means strength in English. niio
Red, red, red. I think a lot of what you say is tongue-in-cheek. Like I say I think you have a wicked sense of humour. You’re having a joke on us at our expense. I don’t care who you are; NO ONE can live on one tablespoon of anything per day. Especially if they’re working hard. You’d need at least 3000 calories per day or eventually you just starve to death. Chia comes from the Aztec word, Chian, which means oily. The main fats in chia seeds are omega 3s, especially ALA’s and some omega 6s. In every tablespoon of chia seeds you’ll have 2.1 grams of ALA. 4 grams of fibre and 2 grams of protein. They’re also a rich source of vitamins and minerals, especially calcium, phosphorus, and zinc. There is no bloody way you can live on one tablespoon of chia seeds per day much less work hard all day on one tablespoon of the seeds. C’mon, red. Let’s get real. Stop with the baloney. Please. Peace brother.
Armin: Nope, dead serious. This was recorded by the Spanish. They tried to raise chia in Europe but it’s too humid and gets whitehead rot. Mexican chia is a longday bloomer. Tarahumara and California aren’t but the seeds are too small to be a commercial crop. Some day. They can phacelia seed, which is tiny.
Chian means oily. Chia means strength. Mitsuil pisiyetl? Will you use (to share a smoker) tobacco? Ximitschiua tlatlahto hispantlahtolli? Do you speak Spanish? And I’m no longer sure I spoke it right; it’s been decades since it was needed.
Soak chia in water the night before. It’ll sprout in hours.
https://blog.healthfoodthailand.com/2019/01/23/2-tablespoons-of-chia-seeds-a-day-what-it-can-do-for-you-2/
https://www.audreyschia.com/pages/history-of-chia-seeds-earning-superfood-label
Armin:
No, peanut butter pie is a real thing! Essentially, it’s a giant peanut butter cup in a pie crust, so very rich and sweet and a little piece goes a long way.
Americans feel the same way about peanuts as Europeans do about hazelnuts, so we do a lot with them.
Putting butter in peanut butter does make it easier to swallow, especially if you’re eating homemade pb which can be gritty textured and is extremely thick and sticky. That’s why commercial producers add vegetable oil to their product.
Pb is good on warm toast with a drizzle of honey.
You can also improvise a good Asian style peanut sauce for noodles or cooked chicken by adding a couple of spoonsfull of pb to the hot food along with whatever spices you like, soy sauce, and a bit of lemon or lime juice. Stir thoroughly, add a little water if it’s too thick and adjust the seasoning if necessary. Don’t add salt until the very end as you may find it salty enough with the pb and soy sauce.
African cooking uses peanuts and pb in a lot of foods, too, as they are native to that continent. Usually it’s an ingredient in soups and stews.
There are all kinds of recipes online using peanut butter and peanuts…truly a versatile food.
I do recommend that if you are interested in incorporating more peanuts as an alternative source of protein that you just surf the net and get some ideas. And don’t forget pb cookies!
Happy eating!
I had no idea, Kit! I really thought red was just joking with when he mentioned pb pie. I’ve never come across anything like it up here. That’s gotta be like a million calories per pie. If you have it down there you have to try a chocolate caramel pecan cream pie. I only have a couple of tbsp’s of it per day. It IS a little slice of heaven and you WILL get addicted to it. 😉 Of course I know pb cookies and they’re bad enough calorie-wise. Closest thing we have to the pb pie up here is Reece’s pieces. You must have heard of them. Basically a very small pb cup mixed with chocolate. Soooo good. Basically anything goes with chocolate. One of my favourite combinations is a banana & pb sandwich. No jam or honey. Preferably whole wheat. Tend to eat that more in the winter when I need more calories to keep me warm. The way red was talking it seemed as if they added a LOT of butter to their pb. It WOULD make it easier to swallow but also double the calories. Any warm beverage will also help to make it easier to swallow pb. One of my oldest friends, we grew up together and now he’s battling cancer; has a bit of a cruel streak to him. When they had a dog he used to take a big glob of pb and put it into the dog’s mouth. And as you know the dog would have a great deal of trouble trying to eat it. Because obviously it sticks. Dog can’t deal with it very well. It WAS funny to watch but a little cruel to the dog. I’m not one much for Asian cooking. Once tried a steamed clam. Almost hurled. I’m more used to northern European/eastern European cooking. Give me homemade potato pancakes anytime over Asian cuisine. Red cabbage with cloves in it. Homemade potato dumplings. I make a mean dumpling. Cabbage rolls. That kind of thing. Good old-fashioned Mennonite cooking. No I’m not A Mennonite but I love their cooking. My maternal grandmother grew up just outside of Warsaw. The only real sauce I use is Lea and Perrins wusstasure sauce, spelled Worcestershire, on my steaks in addition to Diana sauce. Honey and garlic. I tend to stay away from soy sauce as it’s an estrogen mimic. Peanuts are a very versatile food and every once in a while I’ll get into a p-nut phase. Not now though. It’s too bloody hot. Thanks for the info. Stay safe and get ready for the coming economic collapse. Happy surfing! 😉
Armin:
It is a bit cruel, but dogs LOVE peanut butter. My dog used to love pb flavored dog biscuits. One day I stuck one in my mouth as I was closing the package. I wound up eating it…it was basically a less sweet pb cookie with a bit grittier texture. It didn’t kill me, and left my teeth and gums tartar free! (Joke) Actually, it wasn’t bad… something to remember in shtf.
Armin:
PS: that chocolate pecan cream caramel pie sounds good, but really sweet. It sounds like what we calI “turtle pie” down here. They’re named after the candy. Very, very sweet. I might play around with the flavors and see what I come up with.
Miz Kitty: Ambrosia! But, peanuts came from South America but were being raise as far north as Virginia when the creeps arrived. Africans had them, yes, but they also had tobacco and cotton, both natives here. Africa is 2,000 miles from Brazil but I’ve only heard stories of Tainos (Carib) trading with them. If an Irishman, a bold man, sailed from Ireland to America in a coracle, why not? word is, he didn’t like our sour mash and left to find a good jaw of the creature. 🙂
“Geesiz you kids”, eh. LOL! I’m probably older than you. You’re too funny, red. You make me laugh. And these days we need humour. Why didn’t you just say hiatal hernia in the first place. Makes more sense than throat hernia. That paints quite a different picture in my mind. Sounds really nasty. Even though I’m an old goat there’s still so much I don’t know. And you gotta remember we come from different cultures. I’ve never ever heard of peanut butter pie. Much less come across it. Thanks for including the recipe though. Sounds really good with the cream cheese in it and the fudge on top. Yummy. I gotta try it some time. May become my new favourite. But c’mon, man. There’s no way a hard working man can live on a single tablespoon of chia seeds alone per day. Certainly not enough nutrients to keep you going day after day on just a single tablespoon of chia seeds. I did look up the nutrients in a tablespoon of chia seeds and included it here on this page. While there are some there aren’t many. I’m sure there are some very fine nutrients in chia seeds but you’d have to have some extra food with it daily to keep you going. I’ll have to look at the link you provided. Peace brother.
Now we’re getting closer to the truth about, chia seeds, red. The Mayan word for chia means strengthening. The first link you gave me talks about 2, 3, 4 tablespoons of chia seeds. Not one. The second link does say that Mayan and Aztec warriors used chia seeds as their sole food source when traveling long distances, because just a small pouch carried at their waists provided complete nutritional sustenance for days – without ever having to stop and eat. I wonder what they mean by small pouch. And I wonder how much of it they ate per day. A man doing hard manual labour needs 3-4,000 calories per day. There are 836 calories in one CUP of chia seeds. So you’d need to eat approx. 5 cups of chia seeds per day to meet your nutritional needs if you were doing hard manual labour every day. Not one tablespoon. If you didn’t eat enough chia seeds per day eventually you’d starve.
We call them a throat hernia and there’s also one that can take place at the top of the throat.
Age: Right now I’m retrograded to preteen. Inner ear infections, and maybe something (not) lovable passed to me by mosquitoes. ‘Tis the season here for skeeters. Most of mine seem to be Asian tiger mosquitoes. What fun.
Me? I’m 17 (and holding 🙂 (for a lot of decades!). Watch Oh, God and see what I mean. If ‘God’ (played by George Burns) said men are supposed to be 17 forever, who am I to tell Him no?
When I get invited somewhere, I’m always told to bring one of those pies. 🙂
A food pouch would weigh about a pound. Tarahumara runners are distance runners, and able to do 100 miles a day eating only chia. Last time in Mexico, two ‘kids’ (early 20s) who loved to climb came to the hotel all worn out and discouraged. When asked why, the one said they were halfway up this great cliff (200 meters, I think) and had to stop to rest. This old Tarahumara climbed up with a half a sack of seed corn on his back. He looked at their equipment and grinned, and kept on climbing.
Tarahumara mountain chia will grow wild here, but I’m getting California chia, a close relative to the Tarahumara. It does better in the mid-lower desert. It can go in the phacelia in spring. Once the phacelia is dead, it should take over using the phacelia as a standing mulch. By the time that’s done setting seed, the Mexican (hispania) will be growing and bloom during the monsoon season.
Rmp:
Try their sunflower butter too if you haven’t already. It’s great with their blueberry preseves! Yum…now I’ve got to go get me some.
I do realize that, Kit. Dogs do love peanut butter and even though you basically glue their mouths shut with a big glob of it they’ll willingly come back for more. Time after time. Give them a p-b flavoured biscuit and that’s a whole other matter. Once you give them the first one they’re basically your friend for life. Just remember to put the bag with the rest of them somewhere where they can’t get at it. If they find it they’ll gorge themselves on the rest of it. Then they’ll look at you. What. You think I ate it. No way. I wouldn’t do anything like that. Wasn’t me. Uh. Uh. 😉 It could come to the point that at some time we’ll have to consider having to eat things that we normally don’t. Hope not. Worm fricassee. H’mmm. Yum. I’ve heard of some seniors having to eat those little cans of cat food because they couldn’t afford anything else. That friend that I was talking about before. He used to eat dog biscuits on a regular basis. I tried one once. Wasn’t bad. Didn’t kill me but that was the first and last time I tried one. Weird though. After that I had this overwhelming desire to smell my own butt. LOL! That chocolate caramel pecan cream pie is a bit on the sweet side. Under the THIN caramel layer there’s something like chocolate mousse. The pie crust is something like chocolate graham cracker crumbs crust. The whole thing is so good. That’s why I only eat a couple of tbsp.’s per day. One of those 9″ pies will last me more than a week. To offset the sweetness, each morning I have orange pekoe tea with a good amount of lemon juice in it. Lemon juice has soooo many health benefits. My body is pretty smart. If it feels I’ve had too many sweets in one day I’ll have this desire to drink some pickle juice. That’s not a joke. I like the garlic dills. Turtle pie, eh. Interesting. I looked up some “turtle pie” recipes and the only thing they have in common with the one that I can buy at a nearby store is the chocolate and the pecans. Otherwise they’re completely different and not as good. Good luck with trying to make one. Hope it turns out well. Take care, Kit. have a great week.
Armin:
You too! Mmwah!?
The current government is paying farmers to destroy crops and creating food shortages on purpose. Climate change is BS.
I tend to agree with you, Bruce, that what the government(s) are doing to us right now is by design. Just one more step in a carefully designed plan spanning millennia to screw us. The creation of the FED was the proverbial nail in the coffin. Designed to make debt slaves of the American people. I know what you mean about climate change being BS. But you gotta admit that we’re having extremes in climate. Things are definitely hotter. This year, up here in the GWN, (great white north) we had so much rain this year we might as well have been living in the UK. Too many fires this year because everything’s so dry. I don’t know if it’s still burning but they had a megafire in SIBERIA! that is or was bigger than all of the other fires in the world combined. You don’t think of Siberia as being on fire. I know the water is disappearing in California. Some of the reservoirs are so low that if they drop much farther they won’t be able to generate electricity. We had a drought on the prairies this year. It’ll affect the wheat crop and subsequently flour prices in the fall. As if we need more problems right now. I’m not a scientist but my OPINION is that these extremes in climate are all part of a natural cycle more than anything we’re doing. Specifically the Milankovitch cycle. There are a few of us that seem to think that we’re coming into a grand solar minimum that should help to mitigate the extreme heat. Hope the scientists are right about that. 🙂
Bruce: Last year was a disaster and it was caused by the dems. this year, late frosts, drought, and flooding are taking their toll. It’s not just here, but global. If they want to stop global warming, let all the liberals shut up. All that hot gas is not good for the environment. But, the Antarctic is the new disaster. It and the Arctic are calderas. the Antarctic is melting but it’s caused by volcanic activities. Scientists who talk pole shifts are getting a lot of attention. If the Arctic does melt, then the Arctic may tip to the sun. niio
I hear ya, red. At one point I actually thought that the liberals had SOME redeeming qualities but in the meantime have learned that they should all be strung up. Even our own liberal führer is a big knobhead. There’s a growing movement happening against him. In one of his latest rallies the signs that people were holding up were quite “rude”. To be polite. And us nice, polite Canucks were actually yelling obscenities at him. He had to cancel the rally and slink away with his tail between his legs. I’m sure that the polls will find that his popularity is waning. You gotta explain something to me, red. You’re saying that the Arctic and Antarctic are calderas. And as we all know a caldera is a big cauldron-like hollow that’s left over after a volcanic eruption. I bet most of us know about the Yellowstone caldera and think that it’s the biggest one. As huge as it is it isn’t. The largest terrestrial caldera is the Toba Caldera Complex in North Sumatra. It was created approx. 75,000 years ago and the ejecta was in the range of 2,000 to 13,200 cubic kilometres of material. What was left over was a huge caldera, that’s now filled in by a lake. The lake is about 100 kilometres (62 miles) long, 30 kilometres (19 mi) wide, and up to 505 metres (1,657 ft.) deep. It’s the largest lake in Indonesia and the largest volcanic lake in the world. How can the arctic be a caldera? It’s the arctic ocean. It’s water. It mostly freezes over in the winter. And mostly melts in the summer. Why would it tip to the sun? It could tip in any direction. If it tips. As you know Antarctica is the fifth largest continent. How can you say Antarctica is a caldera? That would be one HELL of a big caldera. It’s covered by a LOT of ice which has an average thickness of 6,200 feet which is more than a mile. Interesting little fact. If all the ice on Antarctica were to melt it would raise ocean levels by about 200′. Also if the entire Antarctica ice sheet does melt it COULD upset the balance of the earth, just like interrupting the spin of a toy gyroscope, which could induce a wobble in the earth that MIGHT cause a crustal shift. Antarctica does contain a number of mountains some of which ARE volcanoes. Two of the most well known are Mt. Erebus and another one on Deception Island. Minor eruptions are frequent, and lava flow has been observed in recent years. Very much doubt that’s the mechanism that’s driving the melting of the Antarctica ice sheet. Ice loss in the Antarctic is a complex issue. Driven more by the Southern Annular Mode, which showed strengthened winds around Antarctica in the summers of the later decades of the 20th century, associated with COOLER temperatures over the continent. Sea ice extent expands annually in the Antarctic winter, but most of this ice melts in the summer. This ice is formed from the ocean water and floats in the same water and thus does not contribute to a rise in sea level. The extent of sea ice around Antarctica, in terms of square kilometres of coverage, has seen no significant trend in the satellite era (1978–2018), with initial growth being reversed in the last years of the record. A possible explanation for the difference between the Antarctic and the Arctic, which has seen rapid sea ice loss, is that thermohaline circulation transports warmed water to deeper layers in the ocean. The amount of variation it has experienced in its thickness is unclear with satellite techniques just emerging as of 2019. Melting of floating ice shelves (ice that originated on the land) does not in itself contribute much to sea-level rise, since the ice displaces only its own mass of water. However, ice sheets work as a stabilizer of the land ice, and are vulnerable to warming water. Recent decades have witnessed several dramatic collapses of large ice shelves around the coast of Antarctica, especially along the Antarctic Peninsula. This loss of ice shelf ”buttressing” has been identified as the major cause of ice loss on the West Antarctic ice sheet, but has also been observed around the East Antarctic ice sheet. So, yes. It’s possible that warmer water is being transported to the edges of the southern continent causing this loss of ice shelf buttressing but sure as heck isn’t being caused by volcanism in Antarctica. Peace brother.
Armin: Liberals used to be for liberty. Now they’re owned by people like soros.
Toba is interesting and called the volcano that almost destroyed the world. On the other hand, Canada is interesting because you have so many volcanoes, mostly in BC. But, there are plenty of caldera in the west. With so many, it’s moronic we’re not using them to make electricity. Hawaii and Iceland are laughing all the way to the bank on this. Environmentalists shriek hate over that, but were told to shut up and sit down by dems. They obeyed though to them, the earth is man’s only god.
If you watch Geology Hub and others on youtube, you’ll find most of Canada’s volcanoes got their start under glaciers, some a mile high. Think of it like this, the earth north to south is not round, but from the side, oval. We see this in Cahokia, the snake mound. From the side, the earth is egg-shaped thanks to the sun pulling on it and that we rotate. What happens at the top and bottom? Volcanic activity. Not global warming, but active volcanoes caused the ice to retreat. https://www.livescience.com/4992-volcanoes-erupt-beneath-arctic-ice.html
Yes, if the poles melted it would raise the ocean level very high. Add a very large asteroid and it’s possible all land masses would crumble under the water. It’s happened, and geologists think might have happened 3 times. That would release super-pressurized water from under the mantle and some have hypothesized there may be more there than we see in the oceans. BTW, there are picture from decades ago when the Arctic was ice free for months. https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/nsidc-arctic-was-ice-free-in-the-past/
You should be careful of following the money people. There are plenty who still refuse to acknowledge soft tissues in fossils simply because it destroyed fossil collecting by millionaires for a time. Remember the old saying, money talks and the rest of us walk. Science is a living entity. As it’s run by people, it can be wrecked by people. Max Planck (ID, father of quantum physics) said it best, science advances one funeral at a time.
https://www.livescience.com/46194-volcanoes-melt-antarctic-glaciers.html
https://earthsky.org/earth/volcano-under-pine-island-glacier-worlds-fastest-melting/
BTW, I had to put Skeeter bits in the aquaponics tank. Mosquito reduction is now over 90% and increasing. Too many are Asian tiger mosquitoes, which can carry half the plagues known to humanity. But, that’s Arizona!
If we keep these debates up, red, we’re both going to end up so smart we can take over the world and rule it properly. LOL! Appreciate the response my friend. Will have to address it tomorrow. Almost 2 in the morning here. Time for an old bastard like me to go beddy byes. These kind of things interest me greatly and hopefully we can both learn from each other. Just will make two quick comments. While there are approx. 193 volcanic fields and volcanic centers in British Columbia, there are only 18 proper volcanoes. The biggest cluster lies in the north near the coast, but others are scattered throughout the province. None of them currently active. Most of the volcanoes in British Columbia last erupted during the end of the Pleistocene epoch some 10,000 years ago, with the most recent eruption taking place 250 years ago. So are we in store for another volcanic age? It’s a topic that geologists hotly debate. Get it. Hotly? Volcanoes? Ha. Ha. Makes sense because the oceanic crust is subducting under the continental crust and obviously at that point, for want of a better word, you have stress. Good place for volcanoes to form and erupt. Probably the same thing more or less is happening in Alaska. Alaska has more earthquakes. The proper name for the shape of the earth is called an oblate spheroid. It’s got nothing to do with the sun. Because the earth rotates at approx. 1,000 mph at the equator the poles are flattened slightly and the equator bulges slightly. Slightly. The equatorial diameter is 27 miles larger than the pole-to-pole diameter. As a percentage compared to the diameter of the earth it’s insignificant but it’s there. Interesting little thing to think about. If you were standing at the exact geographical north pole of the earth in the winter (there’s more ice than water then) and you stood still you would make one complete rotation in 24 hours. Cool, eh? We’ll continue this tomorrow. Peace brother.
Rule the world? I’d be happy if I could rule myself 🙂
BC is part of the ring of fire. Yes, we’re overdue for a lot of volcanic activity. Any place with a hot spring is active. Lake Tahoe has a lake of lava forming under it. Tio Popo in Mexico is called the key to the ring. According to ancient records, he’s decades overdue. Last time Tio burped, Mt Fuji lost his snow cap. All calderas are acting up. The Colorado and Rio are faulty lines and people on reservations near them are heading uphill. If into geology conspiracy theory, then the Mississippi is going to crack open all the way to the great lakes. That’s never happened because New Mad is an anti-fault and the only way Superior would drain down that way is in the case of an ice sheet filling the St. Lawrence, again.
Yep, I know what the earth is shaped like. So did the mound builders at Cahokia. 🙂
If not for the sun, the earth would be somewhere out in the galaxy. Gravity keeps us in place by pulling at us. niio
Dear Lord, I got diabetes just LOOKING at the recipes!