Heading off into the wild for long-term survival isn’t an easy feat, even for an experienced survival expert. However, some scenarios require one to grab their Bug Out Bag and head into the wilderness.
The items contained in this backpack are the only lifelines available at our disposal. Only the equipped and prepared are ready to face the great outdoors.
Take a moment every day to acquire the necessary knowledge for surviving in the wild and pack a Bug Out Bag with items that make long-term wilderness survival manageable.
Fixed Blade Knife
If only allowed to take one item into a survival situation, a high-quality fixed blade knife is the most logical option. With a knife, creating tools, self-defense, and hunting all become significantly easier. When looking for a survival knife, focus on sourcing a quality product that will be able to take a beating.
Don’t skimp on knife quality because being stuck in the wilderness with a broken knife reduces morale and makes surviving far more difficult.
Metal Water Canteen And Bleach
A clean water supply is the first thing that anyone in a survival situation needs to consider. Taking a sealed, metal water canteen filled with drinking water will be sufficient for the first day or two and can be refilled indefinitely with potable water.
Related: Is it Safe to Drink Old Stored Water?
While not the most delicious option, sterilizing drinking water with a couple of drops of bleach when on the go is enough to kill off water-borne pathogens.
Metal Pot For Cooking
Bring a sturdy metal pot to boil and sterilize water.
Additionally, a metal pot will serve as a way to cook food.
As with all other items, quality is everything, so search for a heavy-duty metal pot that can stand up to fire over the long term.
Matches, Lighter, Flint, and Fire Starters
A way to make fire and fire starters are must-have items for most people who are unable to start a fire with indigenous techniques.
Waterproof matches, a lighter, flint, and something like cotton balls covered in Vaseline that can sustain a fire before the firewood starts to burn, are essential.
Related: How to Make Firebricks (fire logs) and Wood Stove Logs for Free!
Having a fire is necessary to cook food and fire is the best form of defense against wild animals.
Canned Food, Fishing Equipment, Seeds, A Gun and Ammo
Bringing a couple of cans of prepared food will provide enough calories to survive a few days, but anyone in a long-term survival situation will have to hunt and trap animals to survive.
Ideally, acquire the knowledge required to trap animals, as this is an excellent, passive strategy to acquire food.
Additionally, bring a fishing line and fish hooks, as fish provide a nearly limitless source of food when in the wild. Bring seeds that can be used to start a farm, as this will greatly expand options.
If possible, bring a gun and ammo that will make it easy to hunt big game, providing adequate calories for survival.
Tarp
A large, waterproof tarp is extremely helpful in a survival situation, as it can provide protection against the environment and collect rainwater.
Tarps can be an integral part of a survival shelter or quickly set up when needed.
Since staying dry is crucially important in the wild, having a tarp handy may be the difference between life and death.
Portable Axe/Shovel, Multi-tool, and Paracord
Long-term survival is going to require a sturdy survival shelter.
While a survival shelter can be built with little to no tools, bringing a portable axe/shovel will make it easier to set up the foundation and modify building materials.
Additionally, bring a multi-tool, as it is always useful to have around and doesn’t take up much space in a backpack. Paracord is extremely handy in a survival situation, as it has so many use cases, from tying up a tarp, setting up animal traps, navigating steep inclines, and building a survival shelter.
Personal Hygiene Products
Bring a small bag of personal hygiene products because brushing teeth and bathing regularly are still important for overall health.
While one may not be able to bathe daily, washing up once a week or even twice a month is important. In addition, bring along a roll of toilet paper which at least offers some short-term comfort.
First Aid Kit
A small First Aid kit should never be overlooked, as the chances of getting injured when navigating new terrain and living in the wilderness are elevated.
Related: What You Really Need in Your SHTF First Aid Kit
Since survivalists will have to be their own doctor, bring basic antiseptics, antibacterial cream, gauze to bandage wounds, an elastic bandage to provide compression, and a needle and string to stitch up deep cuts.
Extra Clothes
Add a change of clothes to a Bug Out Bag so it is easy to wash one set of clothes while wearing the other set.
Search for durable, warm clothes that aren’t likely to rip, as they have to last a long time and provide resistance to the changing weather.
Avoid wearing clothes made of cotton in the wild, as they provide zero thermal warmth when they are wet. Clothes made out of wool, leather, and hemp are ideal options.
High-Quality Backpack
Don’t overlook the quality of a backpack used as a Bug Out Bag, as it will need to be durable to survive the trip into the wilderness.
The main thing to consider is the strength of the straps, as a cheap backpack often breaks at this weak point and will make carrying all the essential survival tools far more difficult.
Long Term Survival Comes Down To Knowledge, Supplies, and Willpower
As long as the essentials are met, with access to water, food, fire, and shelter, anyone who is prepared can live in a long-term survival situation nearly indefinitely.
However, only those who have survival knowledge and bring the proper items are likely to make it out alive.
While getting adjusted to a completely new lifestyle during the first couple of days will be tough, hiking to an ideal spot in the wilderness, setting up camp, and building a long-term survival shelter that offers protection against the environment requires willpower more than anything else.
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no tent or sleeping system ?
Raven it’s a basic known each area needs different equipment. You’re an expert, yes?
Up your way in the frozen north a double sleeping bag system and a 4-season tent is prudent.
Down in South Florida a sleeping hammock is far more useful with an excellent bug net and rain tarp.
Even the Rule of 3’s (You know the basic stuff for Prepper Experts, eh?) doesn’t specify what shelter you need as it depends on the season and region, you’re at, at the time.
But I credit you for not trying to add some religion in your comment.
forgot you people are butt hurt over putting out the Elohims law and nobody has yet to throw up a verse regarding … how we threw out the old tesitment …..
anyways …. you can get hypotherma in 50 degree weather but whatever….. so yeah the article like most of the ones here lack critical things.
Raven why do you act respectful over a at Modern Survival Blog and act like a diaper chapped nasty baby here?
I’ve tried to engage with you like a reasonable person, foolishly it seems defended you when you’re reasonable posts were attacked .
Soon enough God will have all of us before His Throne for judgment. What will you tell Him who knows your heart about driving people away from Him? We were called to be salt and light, even instructed to be fishers of men. Where does your verbal assaults fit in that?
i didn’t push anyone away… i simple put out what the law states and what we ….as in me and our people will follow… You do you as you always have been.. Sorry if your pagan Catholics are busy trying to scam more money from old people to pay for purgitory (oh wait thats not in the bible) but hey have fun explaining that false relgion
People like us will be hated because we tell the truth… Its ok i don’t need to win any awards because i fooled people like the mondern day church does… which is no wonder why its failing and people are leaving in droves.
anyways you could of stuck to the topic but felt the need to stab me in the back and now are upset that i responded to your cheap shot….
wow you don’t have many friends eh? At least this guy is actually doing something to try to make a difference instead of just bitching like you! Wow you are a downer.
Raven your “leadership” has real penalties.
Matthew 18-verses 6-7
But you can go on and on and on insulting others and feel justified in your “Elohims law”.
Soon enough we all stand before the Lamb.
so your trying to win people over by calling them pedophiles vs 6…. and vs 7 stumbling blocks…. (so addictions ?)
not sure what your trying to quote but it isn’t anything clear…. Go back and study the word a little more.. The Law is the Law if you need to follow the Pagan worship then go do it.. It isn’t my problem. Easter and Christmans are all pagan holidays too
Michael did you read the parts BEFORE verses 6-7 in Matthew 18….you know about humbling ourselves?
And a few chapters before 18 this was said:…
“Mat 5:17 “ ??Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete.??
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you,?? till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.??
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens. ”
I try to keep my posts and questions concerning Preps. If the presentation violates my core beliefs, Ill explain why, as I did about NOT eating road kill. But when I do see someone seriously taking scripture out of context and twisting to their lifestyle, I will speak. Might not be what people want to hear, and on the same time, it might be that spark that causes you, or anyone else, to reexamine what they believe and line up what they have been taught with ACTUALL scripture, not hearsay in the church or facebook.
Again, Ill ask you to take some time, and forget what you have been TOLD the scriptures are saying and what they mean, and read them for yourself.
There are free programs like E*Sword you can download, and you can download various versions of the Bible and compare them. Its actually kind of important to do that as well, so you dont get a 1 sided translation.
Raven what bizarre version of the Bible DO YOU READ?
Sorry folks but he’s trying hard to warp His word
Matt 18
18 At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”
2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5 And whoever welcomes one such child in my name welcomes me.
Causing to Stumble
6 “If anyone causes one of these little ones—those who believe in me—to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. 7 Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
AND what Raven causes one like yourself to start slinging pedophile comments?
Your claiming leadership, I’m reminding you God will hold you responsible for that leadership. Spending so much time causing folks to stumble with your anti-Catholic nonsense is not lifting the Kingdom of God.
I’m not catholic but nor do I spend my time pretending to be pseudo-rabbi.
We are all strong, but none of us are strong enough to get through this life successfully without God’s Blessings.
catholics are not christians and have jaded the entre bible with their pagan idol worshiping ways
It’s called a tarp.
Yeah…. a tarp vs a 4 season test in the cold weather at negative 20…. good luck
My first comment in this group.
I bought several books on last ways, and herbal remedies. I loved the books! I asked to join this group because I thought it would give me different perspectives and tips from other members. Each time I go to comments, all I see are Raven Prepper expert arguments with other members. I don’t care what religion you are, we each walk our own path. Anyone that is an expert at prepping shouldn’t need this group. You do not even use your expertise to help anyone, all I see is your need to argue about things that have nothing to do with prepping. I would be very grateful to not see your opinions. If your attitude doesn’t change, perhaps you should no longer be a part of this group. We can only hope!
Patsy: Be welcome here. I was raised by atheists, but most of us were then, decades ago. But, the ancestors were a hodgepodge of many peoples come together. They had 2 rules for living, don’t bug the old folks and do not scare the kids. Whether you spread love and sunshine all the days of your life or had a naughty little hobby like growing fangs and fur every full moon, do not bug the old folks and do not scare the kids. Wannabe bad boys were told to behave by little old ladies. If they didn’t, Granny always had a warstick hand to correct you. Then sigh and weep and doctor you. niio, walk in His beauty
Patsy you will always have nay Sayers in any group. Raven tactical Prepper expert tries to get your goat lol.
As to his religion I am not sure if he even has any.
For Myself I believe in God. I do as my conscious tells me. I am honest and honorable. I help people when I see someone that needs help if I can. I do not go to church for many reasons. The main one being my wife cannot go with me because she is invalid and cannot set that long in a wheelchair.
I believe most Catholics believe in God and he said who so ever believeth in me shall not perish but have ever lasting life. The reasons I don’t believe as a catholic does is I was taught the parents took on the sins of the child until they were 13. Well, the catholic believes if a baby dies before it is baptized it does not go to heaven or this is what I have been told. This is not what I was taught. I have not heard it said you have to be baptized to go to heaven, I think he said who so ever believeth in me shall not perish means just that, so baptism is not required.
I was raised a Baptist but not so sure what my true religion is now. But I do believe in God.
The devil belives in God…. but you have to give yourself to him and have a relationship. the pagan catholics have turned it into some greed market where they fool the idiots who really only show up to mass for the “tradtions of going” The belief that you can buy your way to heaven and only a priest can talk to God are all examples of the pagon cathothics …
If you don’t have a relationship …then you don’t have anything… your not saved unless you accept him into your heart.
Dreaded: !
Hey, has anyong found any information about this the law of elohim? It’s not in the Bible. The word elohim, no cap, refers to demonic gods like Moloch ands Baal. niio
Elohim is found in scriptures its a direct hebrew to english
Raven, sheesh! The elohim are found in the Torah as demonic gods. Small e, elohim, gods. Capped E, the Gods Almighty.
האלים מצויים בתורה כאלים דמוניים. קטן ה, אלהים, אלים. באותיות גדולות E, האלים הכל יכול.
The article does say, “Long-term survival is going to require a sturdy survival shelter”. More than a tarp. Exposure kills faster than either dehydration or starvation. If the chosen strategy is to bug-out, I hope those choosing that path have a sturdy shelter plan in mind. Several, in fact, to adapt to whatever building materials are at hand.
I prefer to already have a secure shelter and supplies in place. I’ll have my sardines going on a rotisserie while bug-outters are hunting for sparrows with their fixed-blade knife.
Well the red and his double account red ant must be down voting all of us again.
whirly bird, what did Michael tell you? LOL, I remind you I follow the Tsi-ge-Yu’i. Same Bible as any Lutheran or Baptist would have. The difference between you and even atheists here, is that all of us know what the Bible says. I do not bother to answer most of your posts because Yeshua-Lord said, cast not your pearls before swine.
A tarp, even in the far north as seen on Alone, can provide SOME shelter, while you collect local items to make, or dig, a more long term shelter habitation.
It’ll be easier, especially on foot, to take a tarp and lines with you than a tent.
My view on it anyhow.
https://survivalblog.com/2022/02/20/us-babylon-great-means-preppers-r-g/
Exodus: same here. It’s snowing tonight but in a few days will be over 80F. Give me a tarp and I have shelter, a wind break (we had gusts up to 55 MPH east of Tucson). there’s a major reason Inuit build igloos when hunting, it’s a windbreak yet can be heated with a lamp or two. niio
Raven: that’s babble-on, all right. Babylon is specified in the Bible as a place as well as attitude. Now, if the title were whore of Babylon, yes. That’s the attitude and actions that came from that ruined city.
For our locale, a net hammock to sleep over biting ground insects would be of major benefit. Extremely lightweight and multi-use item. High humidity and thick thorny brush also present in high amounts. It is not unheard of to for property owners to build sleep platforms for long term use. Imagine a raised (48″ high ?) platform with roofing above to protect from precipitation and strong sunlight and still allowing a cooling breeze to be present. Netting on sides when required.
thank you for the article – welcome the discussion of materials as well.
I am truly enjoying the back and forth as much as the article .
please do not censor any of it .!
we can learn from different perspectives!
Yes al the bickering between the super genius experts is very intertaining.
thank you 🙂 some day we help the rrr bird to be an expert. You’re welcome to try, but he’s still a legend in his own mind. niio
Im not bugging out and no matter what happens I have some form of shelter. Im in a great climate. But I would like to fiind good netting….
Skip what kind? Wire, cloth, do it yourself? I like 45% sunshade for the garden and shade when it’s climbing to 100F for me. https://www.deltanetandtwine.com/bulk-netting/ niio
Another vital item – good gloves. Man is a tool user, but his hands he uses to work and collect are not nearly as durable as animals are. Keeping your hands protected from injury is important – no work, no survival.
good working leather gloves are worth the money… Or a option is to buy in bulk the cheap ones.
The current public policy is to use hand sanitizer often. The chemicals in those hand sanitizers kill off the natural God-given flora on your hands and make your hands more susceptible to infection. It would be better that after your hands are washed, to use some gardening type of hand grease to keep your skin less prone to cuts and nicks. You can make your own home made hand grease with vaseline, calendula flower petals lavender for a bit of a natural anti-biotic effect.
My guess is that if a person is on-the-move, they might have keep under the radar and thus, in some crummy dirty places. Protecting the hands will be important.
Those hand sanitizers are highly flammable, wouldn’t want that stuff on my hands. You could set yourself on fire accidently putting your hands near a campfire flame. You burn your hands in a survival situation you won’t have much of a chance. Maybe what I saw was a BS YT videos, but having my life turned up-side-down as a kid when my mom was badly burned with 1st, 2nd, & 3rd degree burns makes me very fire wary.
Germs are good, hand sanitizer bad. Couple years back LCC advised to try O’keefe’s Working Hands Hand Cream, I haven’t been without it since, great stuff. Like the idea of adding Calendula and Lavender to Vaseline, you could do it with Lanolin or beeswax, too, or lard, tallow, possum fat…
Bag Balm is in that O’Keefe category and works well.
hand santiser evaporates pretty quick so you don’t have much of a “risk with burning up” however if you left a giant gel bubble on your hand then sure…. but that’s more of playing stupid games and winning stuipid prizes
Raven is right about the “gel bubble” left on the hands. After the chemicals kill off the natural flora on your hands, the emulsifiers create a “gel bubble” to collect crud in. The end result is that any dirty solid matter that gets on the hands, ends up being squished around on the hands with the emulsifiers.
Interestingly, inmates have been known to drain hand sanitizers through salt in a coffee filter to extract the alcohol for drinking.
anonymous: Buy leather and learn how to make your own. If catching animals for food, you then have a constant supply. Remember, work moccasins have double and triple layers of soles, and a thin piece of wood can be put in for a heel if you have a problem with flat feet. My thing on gloves is, if I wear them, every half-hour or so I have to take them off to get the thorns out, LOL. Like an old desert rat told me when I was a punk kid, If it ain’t got horns, thorns, or fangs, it’s poison; that’s Arizona. niio
1. Quality first aid kit*
* Get quality first aid training ( ie: EMT ). Knowledge is power.
2. Guns & ammo*
* Again, get quality training (not everyone is a Seal sniper or big game hunter) You may not
be as good enough for the job as you think you are..It is always good to increase your skill
level.
3. Practice living under survival conditions in order not to have any surprises. In survival,
surprise can kill.
4. Time is short (it may be too late). Get the training and practice in now.
Spend the weekend in the woods with only the bugout bag. Experience is a great teacher. You will find out fast what you do snd don’t need in the bag.
Yes al the bickering between the super genius experts is very intertaining.
Well, you could stop prodding, for one thing.
A few of my thoughts on the subject:
1) In addition to trapping animals, a few specific items to make fish traps will be better than fishing by hook and line. As will a gill net, and in some cases a cast net.
2) Along with the seeds, add at least a small hand tine garden rake to break up the soil.
3) In addition to the tarp and some cordage, I would include a few items to make building a more durable shelter. Things like plenty of zip-ties, more cordage, brass wire, stainless steel wire, etc.
4) In addition to the shovel, axe/hand axe, multi-tool, and paracord, I would include quite a bit of bank line (cheaper and more compact), and either a folding saw or a quality hand chainsaw for cutting larger limbs and trees.
5) I do not believe a ‘small’ first-aid kit is adequate. The link in that section has some good ideas for a better one.
6) Knowledge is power, and when it comes to survival, especially long-term survival, depending on memory is probably not going to be adequate. At the very least get a copy of the Collins Gem compact version of the SAS Survival Manual by John ‘Lofty’ Wiseman. Add prepper apps to your smartphone. Preferably also a second smartphone without SIM card with prepper apps kept in a Faraday bag.
If there is room, such as using a rolling backpack or a game cart, I would include at least two or three additional manuals geared toward living in the wilderness.
Just my opinion.
Not sure about the need for a phone in a faraday bag. The phone will work but what network would be up to provide a connection? Practice survival skills regularly until you can do it when in the dark. If you can’t remember basics skills your not going to last long.
Justme, a cell phone is a small hand-held computer that can be charged with a small hand-held solar charger, and it might be useful to have some plant identification, medical, maps, and other usable data that is easily accessed even if the grid and communications are down.
I am not sure that keeping a phone on your person, that is trackable, is the best policy.
Plant identification available on the phone is often just a general photo that may not look at all like the local genus of that plant. I have found too often that one plant ID web site will contradict another. Now, is the time to look at plants in your area and learn what the leaves feel like between your fingers except, of course, the toxic ones.
A paper map is best because it will give you a better overview of a larger area vs. a bit of a corner of a map plus the digital accuracy in our phones might be more spotty in a country in turmoil. A small corner of a map available on the phone might not show the big river canyon or something else similar between two points you plan to travel through. A standard paper map with topography noted, is helpful.
I would take the phone and recharger. the phone’s storage unit should be a big as possible to hold a map, med advice and so on. If worried about being tracked, remove the battery when not using it. It saves on the charge. Or carry a Notebook. Far more capacity but no way to try to find out how things are going. niio
Red the older phones had a truly removeable battery. The current smart phone do not.
Even the “Burner Phones” so often bandied about with “Removeable Batteries” actually have a secondary battery built in.
Neighbor of mine works with search and rescue in the White Mountains of NH. They often “Ping” a dead battery cell phone when they are near the expected area of the missing person. It’s the housekeeping battery that powers the ping back.
If trouble is looking for you, I feel that the cell phone isn’t your friend.
Aside from that if information is important like topo maps, field ID of safe and NOT Safe wild foods and such do you want it in an electronic package? Broken cellphones are reality even today. GPS can and has been turned off or the circle of accuracy adjusted by the owners of those satellites. Anti-satellite warfare is a thing now a days.
Folks, please don’t take any advice from any source as absolute, including my post about a cell phone still being useful even if the grid goes down, it might be useful but will have limitations, it’s just another option. I think it’s better to have as many alternate options available as you can manage, including being able to access information. I do not believe in and will not advise anything as “the only…”, so in plain language, you should learn all you can (and practice) but also realize you are not likely to memorize and remember “everything about everything”, so having electronic AND hard copy versions available for references are recommended. Not one OR the other, but BOTH.
Personally, I have a lot of electronic data files on storage devices, as well as hard copies both paper (encyclopedia, specific topic books, printed copies of articles, etc.) and a few plastic cards for things like basic first aid, tying knots, bushcraft and such that can survive getting wet. You can use office supply “peel-and-stick” laminating sheets to help preserve anything you print from tearing, moisture, insects, and mold. You unpeel one laminating sheet and lay if flat with sticky side up, carefully center and lay one page of paper on it so you have about 1/2 inch exposed sticky edges all around, unpeel and carefully lay a second laminating sheet on top, then you will need to flatten and try to push out any air bubbles ensuring you have a good seal all around by starting in one corner and sweeping across with your hand several times. At work when we update our phone listings, we laminate several copies this way, so yes, I have personally done this many times for many years – it works.
If you are concerned about being tracked by a cell phone after SHTF, I ask why? What’s the purpose of spending the time, effort, and resources to look for you? If anyone with enough resources is really searching for you that hard, they will probably be using high end equipment including aircraft and drones with low light and thermal imaging, and dogs.
Michael: then Notebook as storage. My son tried to show me how to set up a cell as a detector of other phones, but it was too long ago. with that, they could locate habib when on patrol. but, of course, it also meant he could find you. niio
Instead of depending on an online plant identification or foraging app that many have said are unreliable, how about doing some real time foraging in your areas and take pictures of the edibles and save them in the picture galleries of your phones. I do this all the time for gardening, including taking pictures of insects, plant damage, and what appears to be diseases like powdery mildew and black spot. Then I can always compare the pictures to my hard copy guides and better determine the identities and advice without having to be connected to any grid dependent internet connections. Then, if unsure while in the field, you can open the pictures on your non-connected phone for comparison to what you find. I think this would be better than trying to pack around books while foraging, phones take less space, have less weight.
In winter I have supplies ordinarily in my vehicles. Id c l earned out to restock and change some things when my alternator went out. I was in a remote reservation area, out of phone range with nothing at all. Son hadn’t even brought a jacket. We would drive a bit. Sit in the dark awhile, while the battery recharged a bit. Several miles later we were finally just off an interstate highway and couldn’t move one more time and we were in phone service again. A neighbor got up at night and brought hot coffee and blankets. 2 AM She took my son home to get his car, a jacket, and more blankets. We sat until I was finally able to get a AAA tow. Miserable night. When my truck alternator went out in roughly the same area it went very different. I had little alcohol burners I’d made from soda cans. I had coffee, tea, food, thick warm comforters,TP in an oats container, and more. It was a long wait but not bad at all. Both nights were 11°. So in winter if I had to get out in a hurry being prepared for the weather is essential. Unsurvivable without preparations. Normal preps include warm bedding, food, water, warm drinks, a fire source, a medical backpack with items from sclaples, suture kits, iodine, water treatment filters and tablets, hard candy, etc. I could easily camp in the car or truck for more than a week. I’d only need more food after a week. A bottle of 92% alcohol would cook for quite a while or treat wounds. On foot I couldn’t go too far but there are survivable places at around 5 miles walk. Bugging in is far better for this 74 year old great grandmother. I have food and meds here to last me way longer than a year. Seeds here for a garden or a wild area of forragable ebiles already partly planted. I’ve weaned myself off of all prescriptions. As long as I avoid mixes and pre-made foods I do pretty well without meds. Other than tiring easily I feel good and my health is good.
I understand what it takes to survive alone in the woods. Did that at 21. But here on high mountain desert it’s far harder than lower, closer to the coast lands. Wiser to be one or two families together. I’m alone so bug in is my plan.
I can heat and cook from trimmed branches on my property. I keep a years without I rather dry ahead each year. My ax or bow saw will do the job. My rabbits fertilize the garden with out burning or waiting a year. The place doesn’t look special. Yet it is. 2 sons and friends live on my land. If we had to we could share 2 smaller homes and live leaner. Every home is able to defend itself. Everyone is capable. I’m by far the oldest. I’ve taken back up my childhood skill of archery in addition to anything else. I have 3 very nice 22 rifles with scopes already. I used to keep 4 adults and 3 kids fed an abundance of quail with head shots the years zip we lived on a reservation in Northern Cal. I know canning, butchering, and more. I could still frame a shed or home, but we have enough here. Skills that could translate to wilderness survival but I’d rather not.
ClergyLady: You rock. ! niio
I’m totally new at this,so anything i can find out what to do,i appreciate.As far as cheap shots people need to study what Jesus did when he was on the earth..I’d start with the beatitudes(Matt:5,6,7)..Thanks for all the info and may God bless
Leah,
Ignore the nonsense, your honesty is refreshing.
BTW, I’m not new to this and I learn new things everyday and will continue to seek out alternative methods and be open to reasonable differences of opinion.
Beware of self proclaimed experts, they never are.
Buxx: No one is a true expert. till the day we die we’re all on a learning curve. niio
I thought this was a survival forum. So why is religion involved? Everyone has their own beliefs and this isn’t the place to discuss them. Religion and politics always cause problems. Let’s stick to the subject and help each other the best we can.
The religious discussion is entertaining, I used to find it off putting but we are all regular people with our half assed American educations, no scholars, heart felt opinions and lots of faith. Hey, it’s pretty cool that an article on road kill sparks so many rants on dietary laws in religion. Reconciling the O.T. with the N.T. is a great challenge, all us ordinary people just trying to work it all out while we throw away all our rat infested Dollar Store preps…
yet atheists murder by the millions…
Pretty sure the islamists and catholics/christians did as well….
So according to you exercising first amendment rights aren’t appropriate. How about if someone told you to keep your world view to yourself, you don’t have the right to express your beliefs? After you graduate from high school you may have accumulated a little wisdom and know enough not to display your ignorance in public.
point to where i stated you can’t state your views.
Gayle: Because any psychologist will tell you, religion is important for sanity in an insane world. It’s not religion here that’s at fault, but wannabe experts whose advice will get people killed. niio
I agree with you Red. Religion is important. Belief in God or whomever/whatever fits you is critical in these times. I personally wouldn’t want to bug out without a spiritual backup. I’m just saying some of these comments are so full of hate and slander and have nothing to do with “what would you take with you in the wild”. I feel they are made to start arguments and pit people against each other. We are here to help each other and give valuable advice to help ensure the safety of other preppers and their families. That being said, I’d advise people to learn to do things that would benefit you and your family. I’m not in a position to bug out so I grow a variety of vegetables to can and dehydrate. I can make shoes, pottery, clothes, blankets and I’m about to put in a hand pump for water. I’m 67 and live alone. All my kids are close by, but I’ve learned to do all my home repairs like plumbing, roofing and whatever needs to be done without calling anybody in. Also, as far as having the food to prep., if you aren’t in the position to have a garden, go to your local food bank. Grocery stores donate to these places to keep from throwing good food away. When we go, we wait til everyone else has made their choice, the we go and get whatever vegetables, meat, bread etc. are available. Then we bring it home and process it. This food is perishable and if nobody gets it, it has to be discarded. It’s just another way to fill your pantry for the least amount of money. Also consider trade items. You can get tobacco offline for about 12.50 a pound. Keeping a supply of alcohol is also not a bad idea. I don’t depend on the city for water, I have a well. I’m going to put in a hand pump to have water available in the event the power goes down. I have six 50 gal food safe drums I’ve cut the tops off of to plumb out to catch rain water to help water my garden. (Don’t worry, I will fit them with mosquito netting and secure the tops after the rain) I live in South Carolina, so It doesn’t get too cold. I have a fireplace and made some rocket heaters out of 6″ elbows and boots from home depot. So after all that, if SHTF, we will have food, water, heat, medical and trade items. If by chance we have to bug out, I’ve lived off the land before and I can sure do it again!
Gayle: Howdy, kid! cults exist in hate and contempt. The Bible states in many ways God is love. God is peace. God is joy.
If you can find one, can you use a solar pump? When I was a kid, Dad bought an old electric pump at a farm sale and then went to the library to get books on how to rebuild it. He told Mom it was her birthday present and she threw her arms around him and gave him a big kiss. After it as installed, and was still pumping years later, he ran a line under the township road to the barn, so we had water there, rather than have to haul it all winter. Arizona governments are going solar in case of SHTF. Many would like to see power plants convert to geothermal, something a lot of nations are checking into. Germany just told off Putin because they are, and no longer need his gas.
If your yard is big enough, plant tobaccum rurale. This is a wivian (medicinal) tobacco and selfsows. Wild, native tobacco is all over the garden now, but people still go into the washes to pick it. You can find desert seeds at Native Seed Search, but most survival sources also carry it and probably more local to your home. Southern Exposure does, if memory serves.
There are several groups here that get extra, unsalable fruit and veggies from import warehouses on the border and give it away. God is love, and we maybe had rough lives, but it was for a good reason. He was there suffering with us as He taught us how to forage, to craft and to survive. niio
In the 1st half of the 19th century there was widespread war in the German states between the forces of Imperialism and the Forces of Democracy. The Imperialists won, and began making life unpleasant for those who valued freedom. Thousands of them migrated to Southwest Texas in the 1840s and 1850s. This was a true bug out, people from the towns and cities fleeing to an unknown far away wilderness with little more than their clothes. The immigration entrepreneurs promised them towns and farms, all they found was a pristine land that belonged to the Comanche,and Apache. A lot of their stories are in a book I just read, Early Settlers and Indian Fighters of Southwest Texas by A.J. Sowell. It is very heartening that these ignorant ill equipped townspeople went into the wilderness and thrived. There is no doubt that the key to making it is to work with other people, and no doubt you should not underestimate the ability of a soft handed city boy or girl to learn, quickly, how to plow and garden, to build a house, raise stock, spin and weave and give birth in a cabin, and fight and win against some of the best mounted warriors in history.
Preppers tend to think about personal survival but history says it is the success of a culture rather than of individuals that is important.
Nothing like religion and politics to raise passions, but I imagine one or both lie at the heart of feeling the need to prep. We’ll understand it, all by-and-by.
Jeremiah 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more
Good find John.
And Hebrews 8.8 – which is what the new/renewed testiment is….. Not the Gospels and Letters
8 For finding fault with them, He says, “See, the days are coming,” says יהוה, “when I shall conclude with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah a renewed covenant,
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Mitsrayim, because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them,” says יהוה.
10 “Because this is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws in their mind, and I shall write them on their hearts, and I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My people.
11 “And they shall by no means teach each one his neighbour, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know יהוה,’ because they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 “Because I shall forgive their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I shall no longer remember.”
13 By saying, ‘renewed,’ He has made the first old. Now what becomes old and growing aged is near disappearing.
John: good post, thank you. But, even Moses found he wasn’t the expert he thought himself to be. the discussions are not about religion. That’s a side issue forced on people by experts in BS. niio
Michael::What is Ravens moniker on ModernSurvival Blog??
You know he doesn’t have single civil thought in his demented
head.
He would never be allowed to comment as he does on any site
that moderates.
We should worry about any family members that have to live with or around him.I just thought of something.Maybe it’s not
he/him. Could it be her/she? There’s an awful lot of hate stored
up in one head.
Ron his moniker on MSB is
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Raven Prepper Expert
So far three comments without anybody on MSB responding.
Michael, I found a couple of Magpies antagonizing nonsense posts on MSB and even a few replies from others, just like he does here, such as:
“Raven Tactical Prepper says:
02/19/2022 at 9:06 AM
look at you weak little sheep theyre fighting and you sit on the couch”
he sure likes to judge others without any knowledge about them, while he sits on his ass doing nothing about what he bitches about – he’s just a spoiled hypocrite that reminds me of a “woke and broke” Libtard.
Ron, want to know what the Magpie hypocrite looks and sounds like?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgh13wfFsuimkzewcYGq33g
he has some knowledge but is nowhere near as good as he pretends.
Better then most so i am good with that.
The wise don’t need to advertise their prolific mental skills. The unwise wear a billboard advertising their ignorance.
dz: which is scarier, stool pigeon losing it and getting killed, or actually surviving on what we teach him? 🙂 niio
JustMe: For all his talk about Bible, he needs to actually study parts like “Even the fool, if he keeps shut his mouth is accounted with the wise.” niio
Red, don’t worry about Seagull, he’ll eventually get himself killed because of his stupid arrogance. What I don’t want is for anyone else to be foolish enough to believe his BS and get themselves harmed or killed for it.
A few things in my BOB, along with parachord I have some camo duck decoy line. It’s small, light weight, very strong and can have a lot of uses.
With my canteen I have a metal canteen cup the canteen sits in inside the canteen case. I’ve used the cup to heat water for tea and other things. A little Esbit pocket stove and some fuel tablets work very good for this.
The food I keep ready is a few protein bars and a few granola bars. I keep them in two ammo pouches I got at the Army surplus store. They clip them to my backpack.
All good things They sell those coast guard rations too…. its like 5k calories in the size of a 5 inch square.
Mailpouch: Don’t forget a pack of good chew! chew, not that trashy snuff swept up off the floor and flavored. Chew will keep the mouth moist for hours.
Food-wise, we have several pounds of dried beef per person on hand, and pounds of chia seed. The Aztec empire was built on evil and also a few tablespoons of chia a day per warrior on campaign. niio
Red,
I used to love a good chew…hence the handle. Haven’t had one in years because of a family history of cancer I decided to give it up. I always enjoyed the flavor and the smell when opening a new package…lol… my wife, not so much…lol…I couldn’t afford it now days anyway. Tobacco like everything else has gotten too expensive…but hey…life is short…shorter for some than others…I may just have to go buy a pack of mailpouch and have myself a chew…and a sip of good whiskey. ?
mailpouch: Yeah, I figured 🙂 Right now, there’s wivian (medicinal) tobacco, wild tobacco, it’s native all over the Americas, is coming up. On tobacco, the only thing ever actually proves was chemicals in the paper cause cancer, not tobacco.
Hitler declared tobacco caused cancer, then ordered researchers to prove it. Every nation that copied the tests called them bunk, but Penn State and U of Manchester, UK, both went nazi during the war. they’re the only ones to state hitler was right. Germany, Russia, Japan, China and other did the tests and said it was BS. Nope, not saying you need to start chewing again. But, anyone who smokes needs to stop. You can smell that on clothes for a long distance. If you know someone who needs to stop smoking, Cardinal Flowering Lobelia is good to help get weened off it. Just slowly replace tobacco with that. AKA Prairie tobacco. It does the same as tobacco in many ways, but without addictive chemicals.
Both grandfathers were farmers and coal miners. One grandfather smoked and chewed. He raise his own. He lived to be 86 but had to stop farming when he reached his early 70s. He couldn’t harness the Morgens anymore or handle the plow. Other grandfather died at 58. did not smoke or chew. niio
To those that wonder what motive the Prepper tactical expert has for what he does in his comments it’s that he gets off upsetting people.
I think that he is beyond help or hope.
the world is going into ww3…..
raven, geezis, stop spouting where you are.
In case you didn’t know, WWII never ended. It only went underground and popped up every place around the world where hitler sent ss and gestapo.
Seagull, I guess you didn’t notice but WW3 has come decades ago, and still exists but not as noticeable, it’s called the “cold war” with lots of spying and espionage. We are now entering WW4 or maybe even WW5, which some say is the “cyberwars”. Sounds like Star Wars? It is, and Trump created a military branch to focus on it called “Space Force”. We know people assigned to Space Force, it’s for real but has a long way to go with research and development to be really effective. China and Russia are both actively pursuing (and flaunting) their technical military advancements, including cyber warfare. Wake up little horsefly and expand your awareness, not that we give a rat’s a** about you, but it looks like you do have others that depend on you to “get it right”, now’s a good time to start.
eh the cold war wasn’t much other then Regan out of control spending. Space force is a decade to late the game… and “advanced equipment the us has isn’t even working. We haven’t had one successful rollout with new equipment that hasn’t fallen apart or sucked.
Hell the JRTV humvee replacement is breaking at oshgosh before it even gets to the units.
Raven, sheesh. What overspending by Reagan? He spent less, so I’m told, making up for all the thefts and cuts the liberals did after Vietnam. Carter was and is a loose screw. Look at him, not Reagan, who saved the nation from socialism. I was still in the Army when Carter took over. We were shafted by him. Reagan gave us back our pride. Trump started space force. Reagan scammed the USSR into retreat with Star Wars. And that’s all it was, a study and a scam. It forced Russia to rebuild and build up everything and that broke them. What does the humvee have to do with Reagan? That come out inder W, and he had to force liberals to armor anything.
Regan was anti gun, and a huge spender national debt went up from his outlandish spending.
saved us from socialism…. yeah… maybe slowed it down but we been pretty much on the path towards socialism from the min Wilson put in the income tax. Even now most middle class are paying 60 percent of there income in taxes (when you add it all up) Pretty sad how this country has fallen. Nothing short of a reset will do anything to save it.
gotta agree, Seagull is far beyond hope or redemption, but does make for a good example of what not to do.
People, people aren’t we forgetting about what’s important… With the Russian invasion of Ukraine shouldn’t we be thinking about future supplies of Chicken Kiev hmmm? Another thing, do we know if Russian soldiers were properly vaccinated and masked… are the keeping a 6 foot safety zone.
? just had to lighten things up.?
the ukraine supplies about a 1/3 of the worlds wheat….
We don’t eat wheat, but do know a lot of people with family in the Ukraine.
Seagull, then maybe you should stop wasting time posting BS and get to plowing and planting.
its winter you dolt….
Seagull, I know this is hard for you to comprehend but red and I are preparing and planting now, with different areas and conditions for each of us. We don’t live in your ignorantly arrogant little bubble, so we do what is best for us in the conditions we live in. Maybe you should head south so you can have longer growing seasons, but then again, you would have to learn and adapt, and I highly doubt you are capable of it.
Seagull, maybe you should try this
https://homesteadsurvivalsite.com/how-to-grow-wheat/
raven: Maybe here you are. My lemon tree refuses to stop blooming. A bro’s peach orchard is in full bloom. I’m about a week behind him so the apple hasn’t bloomed yet. Carrots, kohlrabi, and so on are all doing well. Tomatoes, eggplants, chilis and Chinese celery on the south side of the house are growing very well and most in bloom with fruit. peas are in bloom. I didn’t get any garbanzo beans in this year, but have black (seeded) to plant when the weather warms. Safflower needs to go out. Chia needs to be planted in the house, but if I want, I can just plant it in the rows of peas. By late May, the peas will be done and the chia getting nice. the sweet cherries, a Stella and a capulin are budding. Figs and mesquite will wait a little while. Strawberries will be in bloom, soon. Winter it is not. In the Crimea, people were enjoying late spring and going on picnics. The bulk of the world’s wheat comes from Australia and the US. China raises plenty, as well, but China had another disaster of a year.
JPup, good one, made me chuckle. and maybe we should also send a delegation of Libtard politicians over to check for their “bogus vaccination” cards before they are allowed to enter a building? I can see it now on the lame stream media “Breaking News – US delegates violently gunned down in a horrific violation of their civil rights while on a humanitarian Peace Keeping mission” ?
I don’t think Putin would care one bit, neither would I. ?
JPup, heaven forbid we get cut off from a supply of chicken Kiev. I can see libs using that as an excuse to invade 🙂 niio
dz: the loquat and new olive came today. I sent for Isleta (Hopi) tobacco and jasmine tobacco seed. niio
red, you mentioned you were having as hard a time with aphids and ants as I am, and I just ran across this suggestion from a different blog about using orange peels to make an organic insect spray, and since I have an overabundance of lemons year-round, I may try this using lemon peel instead of orange peel and see if it works.
“Pest Control In Your Garden
My mother was not wrong when she said her homemade body scrub protected us from insect bites, for orange peels can be very effective in keeping difficult pests away from your plants.
Steep half a cup of chopped orange peel in about three cups of boiling water for 20 minutes. Strain and allow the solution to cool before storing it in a spray bottle. This solution can be used in your garden every 7-10 days to get rid of ants, aphids, white flies, and other insects.”
I may try pouring it down ant holes as well and see if it has any effect.
dz: Buy a box of 20 mule team borax. 1 tablespoon in a cup of flour (cornmeal works best) or sugar. Put it on the ant hill and run. The flour + borax kills them, then the dead are used to fertilize their gardens, which kills the gardens and poisons grubs. When the colony gets weak enough, other colonies will raid and haul off the poison for themselves. Most soils need it, anyway. Beets and apples demand a little extra. It’s the best prevention for heart rot in apples and helps beets get bigger without getting stingy.
Citrus peelings on the counter keep off ants.
Aphids, there’s one plant, and only one aphids are on, a brussels sprout. That means there’s something wrong with the plant. Too much nitrogen is usually the reason aphids show. It needs to be dusted with DT. It’s warm now, and sowbugs are going to be a problem, too. niio
red, what is DT?
dz Diatomaceous Earth. Unwanted trivia:
Diatomaceous earth
Diatomaceous earth, diatomite, or kieselgur/kieselguhr is a naturally occurring, soft, siliceous sedimentary rock that can be crumbled into a fine white to off-white powder. It has a particle size ranging from more than 3 μm to less than 1 mm, but typically 10 to 200 μm.Wikipedia
red, I bought a large bag of diatomaceous earth last year (maybe 40 or 50 LB’s) along with a small plastic hand-pump duster that has a crimped silicon tube for a nozzle that is intentionally bent downwards, and I tried to use it a few times, but the duster design is odd and does not work like the old metal nozzle duster I remember my dad had and used effectively. The aphids are usually underneath the leaves and on stems close to the leaves so I need to find a good hand-pump duster I can easily dust up underneath the leaves and try again this year.
red, I also bought a 30LB bag of sulfur powder to help against mildew and fungus but need to get a better hand-pump duster to distribute it better.
Dz: Same here, and I have several DE sacks in the garage. Food grade is more expensive but that’s used in grain and legumes. It took a little big to learn how to use the squeeze duster, but now I like it better than the metal and glass one.
Be very careful about sulfur on leaves. It burns the hell out of them. Can you make Bordeaux mixture? Copper sulfate isn’t needed as you already have sulfur. Lime, copper, sulfur and so on are anti-fungal. Baking soda modifies the sulfur for the plants, and will still help kill fungal diseases. I know people up in the northeast who spray squash with a light solution of baking soda to kill powdery mildew before it nails the leaves. I don’t bother because old-fashioned heirlooms like calabacita, Ancient watermelon, and 7 year melon grow so fast you’d swear they planned to break out of the yard and attack small vehicles and pedestrians.
Out only real fungal disease is cotton root rot. Sulfur helps by knocking back soil Ph. Pelleted sulfur broadcast over the yardin (yard-garden) about every 6 weeks. That helps to break up caliche and most fruit trees prefer a lower Ph, which helps them to take up minerals.
If you had the room, I’d say plant pistachios. But, man, have you priced what they want for one female tree? niio
red, I have a small squeeze bulb duster with a brass tube and nozzle, and it works great but is small, and I haven’t found a larger version, so I tried the larger hand-pump design, but it often doesn’t properly distribute as a “dust cloud” and is hard to aim upwards underneath the leaves. Because the small squeeze bulb type worked so well compared to the pump version, I bought a couple more in different colors so I can tell them apart and can dust three times the area before refilling them.
dz: Mine is an all-plastic junk but it works. the nozzle is accordion folded so I can get under plants if I have to. for the most part, it’s nature take your course. We practice interplanting; something comes out, something takes its place depending on season. A monoculture is trouble waiting to happen. We lost a passion fruit and nearly lost the grapes because of that. a bed of collards looked good one day, then the nest the plants looked like someone used bird shot on them. A few days later, lizards and scorpions had all and I mean there were no cabbage worms to be found. Most of the plants survived and the biggest, most healthy were allowed to go to seed for fall planting. niio
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Spoke with my son today, he says a lot of US Army members have been told to pack and be ready to deploy on very short notice. Dementia Joe is once again proving he is absolutely terrible with Foreign Policy.
He will get thousands of men and women killed all for nothing. Its a shame and i am glad i told my son to never join the military with this admistration in office. Not with this trans gender soft mlitary as well.
Putin unleashed the islamic hoard to rape and pillage now too …
Everything the Biden team has touched has turned to c**p.
pretty much everything american touches dies
Oh Please.?
Seagull, how’s your wheat crop coming along?
so iraq… afganistsan , nam…. all this EU s**t….
name something we didn’t wreck
red, I just checked Native Seeds for tobacco, and they only sell one variety now:
“Tobacco is found in Indigenous communities across the continent, many growing tobacco specific to their community and ceremonies, which is not to be sold or used commercially or recreationally. Native Seeds/SEARCH has made the decision as an organization to remove these varieties from public distribution.
Punche Mexicano, a New Mexican tobacco grown for smoking, will remain available to the public.”
dz; that sucks,. they used to have a half-dozen varieties from the mountains low desert Tohono. https://www.trueleafmarket.com/collections/tobacco-seed carries Hopi, but you may be better off with something that tolerates heat and humidity like a Cuban. Even our wild varieties prefer an area out of the wind and some shade. niio
red, I think it’s dryer here than where you are, so plants that can tolerate heat and dry winds would be better. If I remember correctly, you mentioned you get an average of about 16 inches annual precipitation where you live, we get an average of about 10 inches annual precipitation where I live, with a lot of dry winds on-and-off year-round. Last week we had a warm spell for a week or so into the 80’s, then another winter storm blew in and we got frost again this week. Woke up yesterday and there was a thin ice layer on top the dogs water bowl out on the back patio. I’m glad I held off planting the early greens like bak choy and spinach, but I do have six Anjou Pear seedlings about 1/2 inch tall that I recently replanted outside and have been covering them at night to try and save them from the frost. I started with 14 new Anjou sprouts (from seed) but lost 8 from the hot dry winds and grasshoppers eating the tops.
My ever-producing Myers lemon planted in open ground still has lemons from the last batch and has been flowering for several weeks, even with the frost. I checked my other trees in containers for damage, and everything is still alive, although my little mango is struggling – always does. The Guava start we were given last year is still thriving well, didn’t drop any leaves, and has grown from one foot to about two feet over the “winter”. The Fig I bought last fall dropped its leave during winter and is just starting to show news buds. The Fuji Apples I started from seeds about two years ago are about eight feet tall now and have not ever flowered, but they do have new buds and tiny leaves, and a few “suckers” near the bottom I need to prune off. My Avocado I started from seed wintered over very well, is about three feet now with new growth, but the grasshoppers are eating holes in the leaves. I recently planted four Avocado seeds I had rooted int the kitchen window (they had roots but no stems yet) into 5-gsllon buckets and a few days later we got hit with the late frost, so I don’t know if they will survive. My Moringa’s died down over the winter, and the frosts hurt them, but they have new growth and just started flowering again. I thought my two grapes had died, the vines were bare and had dried out over the winter until brittle, but they too have just started putting out a few buds and new leaves. I still have “rogue” tomatoes with ripening fruit on them – they wintered over very well so I will prune them back and repot into 5-gallon buckets. My strawberries had mostly died out from last year’s hot dry winds, but there a few new sprouts of green leaves pushing up, and even a couple of early flowers, so I will replant those soon. I should have planted peas several weeks ago but got sidetracked, and I think this week’s frost will be the last, so I should get busy this week and continue maintenance and early planting.
dz: You get less rain, but it’s humidity levels you need to work with. We can get as low as 4%. Plants and molds can take in moisture through leaves. A lot of molds will spore when hit with a dry spell.
How much shade does the mango get? I understand they’re an understory plant that need bright, indirect light. I’m all antsy about the loquat, which can be a struggle to raise, but usually after a few years, is immune, more or less, to our climate. The Heberts, Edge of Nowhere Farms, kept theirs potted for several years before planting in the orchard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tapGMPIl0Xo
You’re a few weeks ahead of us. Figs here are ‘thinking’ about breaking bud.
Mike Kinkaid summer prunes to force spurs on fruit trees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHl2qdMgl00 Very good orchardist and nurseryman. Navy vet, and the youngest daughter (still in Navy) loves him. 🙂 (I keep praying, please! Please God, I want her to marry and have grandkids! After all the gray hair she put on me when growing up…! 🙂
According to what I find, Fuji do best in Zone 8 or colder. http://fruit-trees.org/pages/apple-trees/fuji-apples.php But, you planted seeds. You may luck out with a cross-bred. Your best bet would be to plant a named variety that does well in your area and plant seeds from that. That makes them a landrace better adapted to your eco-climate. Even if the fruit is crappy, you can graft. That, you may need to try with the young trees. BTW, seedlings can take over 7 years to produce but should be in bloom this year or next. A graft would be the bearing age of where it came from.
One moringa, in a pot under the eves, south side of the house, survived it down to about 27F. Donno about the rest, but I’m hoping. All bloomed, but no seeds despite plenty of lip action from honey bees LOL. One avocado inside, a seedling, is doing well. Last summer, the dog ate the seedlings outside. I need to find a local Aravaipa avocado (landrace from a tree about 150 years old). Those can handle wind, heat, drought, monsoon floods and you name it. Arizona is not kind to the weak. By this time, pea vines should be well over 6 feet tall and still growing, but are not as good as other years. As long as we get seed back plus extra it’s cool. Chia can go in the rows.
Half a flat of Porter tomatoes are yet in the seed leaf stage. Same with Chimayo chilis. Onion seedlings growing well, but need to get outside in a windbreak.
North of Phoenix, dams are at 71%, but the snowpack is deep this year. By July, the dams along the Salt and other rivers will be full and Apaches making a mint selling trout licenses. Kali dams are still considered too low, but you have snowpack on the Sierras. It takes from 3-7 years to recover from drought, and Kali’s has been on-going since dems stole the elections in 2008.
red, we live Inland, not on the Coast (I commute) and our humidity is pretty low also, sometimes 10% or less, especially when we get dry winds from the deserts blowing through the mountain valleys. Those winds combined with warm weather kill a lot of my plants, and the younger plants / seedlings are the most vulnerable, although the February frosts did their share of damage.
I’m still trying to figure out the “location, location, location” parts of gardening here. I’m paying a lot more attention to shading and sun movement both front and back of the house, and along the six-foot fence circling around the back that provides full shade in the afternoons to a strip along the edge. I did read some plants do better with morning sun and afternoon shade, but I don’t recall exactly which plants those are, so need to go research again.
My first attempt with grapes, one green and one red, both in containers with larger tomato cages as the “trellises”, are starting to bud and have a few tiny leaves starting. This will be their second full year and I did not prune but have read I was supposed to prune during winter, so have been snapping off any “sticks” that look totally dry and dead and will soon begin pruning off any that don’t have new buds.
My Fuji apples are an experiment to see if I could sprout and grow apple trees from seeds, even though I already knew we probably don’t have enough “cold hours” for them to produce, so last Thanksgiving I took four with us when we visited my family in Oregon where they do grow apples – my nephew was very happy. I know it takes 5-7 years for most apples sprouted from seed to start producing fruit, and I don’t have any expectations they will ever produce in our conditions here in East San Diego County, although they do grow apples in the higher elevations of the mountains out here. I also don’t expect the Anjou Pears I sprouted from seed this winter to ever produce where we live. So far six Pears have survived, and if they live, I will probably take some to family the next time we go visit. Pears also do well in some parts of Oregon.
I need to learn how to start trees from cuttings, and grafting, especially since I have a Myer’s lemon that is a super-producer. I sprouted seeds from this lemon and have five surviving in 5-gallon buckets that are about 2′ tall. I did move one mango so it has been surrounded by the young Fuji apple and Myer lemons and it’s still alive but not looking good. I left the other mango in a more exposed location, and it died. The same for my papayas, none survived the frosts. Ah well, the learning curve continues.
For now, my main goal concerning gardening is to learn as much as I can, with the extra benefit of being able to produce a small amount of truly organic food. On our property, I doubt I can ever grow enough fruits and vegetables to provide what we need, not enough space, not enough water (no well), but it’s excellent education that I will take with me everywhere I go.
Reservoirs in Kalifornication will continue to have problems refilling as long as the idiot Libtard politicians keep directing millions of acres of fresh water to be diverted so it flows into the San Fransicko delta instead of into reservoirs and irrigation systems. This is why the agriculture industries, especially the orchards, have been really decimated. Terrible policies, terrible results.
Dz: When you said San D, I assumed you were close to the coast. Interior I’m told can be a bad spot for ag. John Wayne’s father owned a ranch south of the city and he talked about growing up there, prerrenial drought, east winds that dried leaves on the plants.
https://crfg.org/ is fun to read.
First order of business is a wind break. I use 40% shade cloth for that. Usually, especially with the grapes, once it outgrows the wind break, it’s OK. Mine went from large leaves behind the break to small leaves. Ditto the apple, which is growing, but the leaves are half the size of a normal leaf.
If you don’t experiment, you’ll never know if it would work. And, apples are easy to graft. And, you may just come up with the next World Class apple. No way am I trying to discourage you! You’re developing a survival skill we abandoned along the way. A lot of people (Navajo, for one) when they move will take pits and fruit seeds to plant. Each generation brings fruit closer to landrace.
Cuttings, I use a tote, 1/3 full of wet peat moss. Take cuttings as big or bigger than your little finger, about a foot long. They should be from last year’s growth or older (I saw a nurseryman take a six-inch thick fig log and root it). While working, put the bottoms in water. At the bottom of each cutting, scrape one inch of bark down to cambium layer. Dip in powder root hormone (the powder also contains a (hopefully) natural fungicide). Stick in the peat, cover with a good lid and keep an eye on it. When leaves appear, you can open the lid but keep it on loosely for several weeks till the plants are growing. Allow it more air each day till the lid is off all the time. Bright, indirect light is best. Pot them in gallon pots in the shade. Figs and mulberry are good starters. If you only have a few, put them in gallon pots and peat, and use a cloche with a lid on it.
Now, be nice. Those politicians have very good reason to steal water from the people. Their political lives depend on it. 2) A few fish and birds are more important than thousands of human lives; to wealth political supporters, anyway. And that was something else that initially interested me in Christianity, liberals hate it. 🙂
red, we live in what is considered the Inland microclimate, in an unincorporated area and there are some things that grow and produce very well, but plant selection, timing, location, and proper watering are critical. I’ve only been seriously paying attention to my gardening for the past couple of years, getting better, but have a long, long way to go.
dz: Like I said, if I live to be 90 and 9, I’m still on a learning curve. the only way I know to beat the wind and sun is shade cloth and plenty of water. BTW, use fresh thyme in that recipe. It’s a lot better. Thyme is one plant that does well in the heat and sun. niio
No Magpie X Spurt. Im not going to waste my time on someone like you.. Bitter, stupid and unwilling to learn. You should really get some help but I won’t waste anymore time on you.
aww can’t handle the truth…
raven, sigh… https://www.openbible.info/topics/mockers
yup, Seagull the X-spurt remains as clueless as ever, remains dishonest, refuses to learn, denies his lies, deceit, and hypocrisy, and still won’t answer any of the questions I ask him, such as many months ago after he said he had students I asked, “how do we sign up for your classes?”
until recently several questions about his fanatical beliefs such as “what do your “laws” say about lying? You are definitely guilty as hell making false claims about others, so is that part of your “religion?”,
and also “why don’t you clarify exactly what you are referring to when you post about “the Law of Elohim”, and is it one god, or many gods? Sounds Pagan to me, I’ll pass. By the way, do you sacrifice animals to your “deity”? Have you ever been asked to sacrifice a child to prove your “devotion” to a “deity”? I’ve heard stories about things like that, maybe you can “enlighten” us infidels”
but Seagull the False X-spurt is too much of a cowardly Libtard Troll to answer my questions.
My family’s planning to set out a camp in the next two weeks…this is just so timely to read.
Around here you best have a plan if you are looking to be out in the woods for a period of time. Wild hogs, bobcats, mountain lions, snakes and a lot of other things will ruin your day and night. Having a hard shelter is almost a must have unless you have enough in your group to stand watch. Basic tools and cooking pots are necessary long term. Water source. Protection. All the normal items.
red, you aske about Law of elohim Here is all I found on it>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Elohim
Yeah, I know about that, but it’s not what was discussed, but elohim, small e, and can mean either humans or the false gods. LDS goes their own route, but I do not know a one who doesn’t vote or acts like life is a drag. Thanks for posting that. niio
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/basic-skills-you-need-to-master-before-shtf/
Thanks for sharing. Very good article & information
I’ve not seen this site before. Got it bookmarked now though. ??
dz: you know who is probably the first buyer 🙂 niio
red, I didn’t notice any particular things for sale other than the sidebars on all blogs, did I miss somethig?
https://urbansurvivalsite.com/basic-skills-you-need-to-master-before-shtf/
What I really like about the article is it is very straightforward, and specifically states and caters to “beginners”, with lots of links for the subjects presented. This is the type and style of articles I prefer, but they are hard to find.
dz (cough 🙂 He grabbed one and flew home, yo?
Number 24. this is actually a very good book and worth it. But, it doesn’t teach how to use a beavr after killing it.
I’m surprised you don’t have some rabbits. There are some good breeds that are heat tolerant, like California White. Old-school breeds like American Blue are good, tho they like to hide from the heat. Pelts are worth a few bucks, too. the manure is high in nitrogen, but doesn’t burn plants. Word is, a small dusting of DE under birthing bedding is a very good way to have things. Some folks are getting bales of alfalfa and laying them down over wire, and surrounded by wire to 3 feet above the bales and raising rabbits that way. If the does are kept as pets, they’ll always come to you. Bunnies need to be live-trapped, tho, and never keep a buck in with the does. niio
red, I don’t have rabbits or chickens because as I’ve posted before I currently live on a little postage stamp 75×90 lot and the fenced in back yard where I could keep the rabbits or chickens are my dog’s turf, and they would kill them, even if locked in a pen. My terrier would tear it open to get to them – he chews through fencing boards in minutes if he decides that is what he is going to do, and my shepherd-mix smashed through a chain link gate by ramming it with her head, so between the two of them they would figure out how to get to the livestock, and probably eat them.
dz: I see your point. We had dachshunds and they’re terrors on the hunt. But, they also are easier to train in some ways. The first time Wicci (wee-chee, a loose bird/sl*t in Lakota 🙂 saw chickens it nearly killed her that I told her no. so she went down to the neighbor’s and savaged his german shepherd. 🙂 I guess no rotties were around for her to torment. But, as you see it, and I agree. Here, if you raise chickens, you better have the whole run wired over because of stray dogs, coyotes, hawks, and so on. A lot of folks are buying turkeys, instead. And no, I’m not recommending them. I wish you were out of town, tho. niio
red, my terrier is about 90 LB’s, and was feral for a few months before we got him from the shelter. He loves people and attention, and is my “buddy”, but will still kill anything he considers a threat or food. The shepherd-mix is about 110 LB’s, also from a shelter and has some quirks, but she is “daddy’s girl” and really a big baby with me, but if she perceives something as a threat, then she can get vicious.